Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:08 am

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banished wrote:Good to see the new editing system in place! What a nightmare it's been having to constantly go back and re-correct or re-inspect segments haphazardly edited by a new kid in town. Yes, it's going to generate pushback from level (3) and below AMs, but it's still an improvement over what the previous free-for-all, step-on-everyones-toes system had become.

Thank you, Waze. The irony is that I just tried to respond to an unlock request, but couldn't do anything because it was locked by a level (6)! Too funny.

Fine Banished, would you please come back through Utah and unlock every segment you've locked in your editing efforts. There are many road segments that need updating from time to time, before it wasn't an issue that you'd locked them. NOW IT IS! You are not local to this area, you are not aware of changes in road layouts and traffic flow, but because you and others have made needed edits and locked the segments out of habit, they are now off limits to any fixes, improvements or adjustments by those of us who know those roads.

This new system is NOT good to see. I'm supposedly a CM (yet my edits show me with a level three), I've been able to edit nationwide for a while now. But suddenly even many local roads are off limits to me because you or another mega-wazer locked them in the past. It wasn't an issue before if a change was needed because I had the access to edit those roads, but I have now lost that access.

This change was a massive mistake. At least without setting all existing locks to a level 2 as someone else suggested. I'd recently thought about making an effort to ensure any roads I saw locked by someone I knew to be from out of state were unlocked but decided to not do so. Personally I think there are too many locked roads across this country anyway. I don't lock roads, at least not until I have to fix them at least once due to someone meddling.

And can we eliminate the level 6 locks entirely. Waze staff are located in California, they do not know the roads across the US. They absolutely should not have the ability to lock a road to everybody else. Roads change, not often not a lot but they do change and for some programmer in Palo Alto to lock a road in nowhere's ville USA, that they've never been to, will likely never go to and thus have zero idea of what the road layout really is or how it is changing is counter to the entire concept of users being able to edit the roads.

And lets be honest that's the feature that drew many of us to Waze. The fact that we could actually make corrections and fix the maps, unlike with every other nav app or device out there. Yes there is some toe stepping, but this is not the way to fix it, unilaterally with no warning or discussion with those who do 99.99999% of the editing, the users.


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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby skbun » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:37 am

AndyPoms wrote:+1


+1. Yes. Exactly.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby Cloaker » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:05 am

Agreed.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby mrgrumpy » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:05 am

As a level 3 editor I should now be able to edit 4 miles around my routes, which from the look of it I can, but my dashboard screen tells me I can edit 1mile around them.

I'm assuming the message below my cones just needs updating.

Thanks for everyones hard work putting this together.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby fotrik » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:57 am

Ask community in every country (CM + old AMs) to:

1) Review new applications for AM rights via the country forum. Every new applicant would have to post his statistics (map edits, point, forum posts) and at least one permalink with an example of his work which represents his good work as much as possible. Then person like guri211 in SK or Zirland in CZ will accept and forward the application to Waze or refuse it. Directly or based on comments of other neighbor users.

2) Review work of all current AMs in country (list provided by Waze) in the same forum and revoke the AM right from all who don't pass.

Then the whole silly update you have done won't be neccessary anymore.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby fotrik » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:09 am

daknife wrote:This change was a massive mistake. At least without setting all existing locks to a level 2 as someone else suggested. I'd recently thought about making an effort to ensure any roads I saw locked by someone I knew to be from out of state were unlocked but decided to not do so. Personally I think there are too many locked roads across this country anyway. I don't lock roads, at least not until I have to fix them at least once due to someone meddling.


Funny thing is that many level 4 / 200K+ edits users gained their ranks also thanks to the locks on thousands of segments which can't be edited anymore by the users they really know the area.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby jeberhard » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:25 am

Well I'm going to throw my two cents in...

I became an AM so I could update some major sections of highway that didn't even have ramps named properly - actually they were not named at all and it made directions and routing suck. These are roads I drive everyday an am confident in the changes I made. I fixed whole sections of highway and think things are certainly better now. But, due to this change, there are some roads I have previously edited that I may not be able to edit again if needed do to their connecting to a road with a higher lock level. That's terrific.

I have seen some higher level editors (CM and above) go back over some of my edits because it now shows it updated and locked with their name now, but I don't see anything that was changed other than the lock being applied/reapplied at the higher level. So with no feedback I'm left wondering if there was some mistake or was it locked/relocked just because they could? Editing permissions aside what I would find beneficial is if we could have a comment/notes box so we can document a change or fix that was made so others know, especially those not from the area who may not know local details not obvious from a map.

I reluctant to do anything now and just let this whole area fill up with 100's of URs again.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby banished » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:05 pm

daknife wrote:
banished wrote:Good to see the new editing system in place! What a nightmare it's been having to constantly go back and re-correct or re-inspect segments haphazardly edited by a new kid in town. Yes, it's going to generate pushback from level (3) and below AMs, but it's still an improvement over what the previous free-for-all, step-on-everyones-toes system had become.

Thank you, Waze. The irony is that I just tried to respond to an unlock request, but couldn't do anything because it was locked by a level (6)! Too funny.


Fine Banished, would you please come back through Utah and unlock every segment you've locked in your editing efforts. There are many road segments that need updating from time to time, before it wasn't an issue that you'd locked them. NOW IT IS! You are not local to this area, you are not aware of changes in road layouts and traffic flow, but because you and others have made needed edits and locked the segments out of habit, they are now off limits to any fixes, improvements or adjustments by those of us who know those roads.


You know...you could just try asking nicely and providing the the permalinks. That does not necessarily imply that I will unlock everything, and it's almost guaranteed I'm not going to unlock something done by another (4) AM.

Yes, I may not be local to your area, but you've been editing far outside your local area, too.


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Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby reflon » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:15 pm

AndyPoms wrote:
shirlig wrote:As for the AM permissions vs. ranks - we did this in order to prevent new and inexperienced AMs from reversing edits that were locked by veteran editors. Please note that this only affects locked segments.

We DON'T WANT to block experienced area managers from editing their areas. If you feel that you were blocked from editing your areas, please contact us via the quick help section in the support page and we will check this individually.


In that case, this change should ONLY apply to Level (2) Area Managers, and NOT Level (3) Area Mangers (those of us with over 100,000 edits and have requested the upgrade). I just checked and it currently doesn't - I have segments in my area that are locked by a Level (4) that I can't edit.


I've been an area manager since the beginning of 2010 and one the reasons I'm still a level 2 AM is because I was deployed overseas and wasn't able to do any edits. In that time I was gone a lot of things changed and a lot of map edits were done so when I got back there wasn't a lot of edits to do. So that's fine if you want to limit it to level 2 AM's. I just won't do anymore map edits and just report everything.
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Re: Map Editor version (August 12, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:39 pm

reflon wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:
shirlig wrote:As for the AM permissions vs. ranks - we did this in order to prevent new and inexperienced AMs from reversing edits that were locked by veteran editors. Please note that this only affects locked segments.

We DON'T WANT to block experienced area managers from editing their areas. If you feel that you were blocked from editing your areas, please contact us via the quick help section in the support page and we will check this individually.


In that case, this change should ONLY apply to Level (2) Area Managers, and NOT Level (3) Area Mangers (those of us with over 100,000 edits and have requested the upgrade). I just checked and it currently doesn't - I have segments in my area that are locked by a Level (4) that I can't edit.


I've been an area manager since the beginning of 2010 and one the reasons I'm still a level 2 AM is because I was deployed overseas and wasn't able to do any edits. In that time I was gone a lot of things changed and a lot of map edits were done so when I got back there wasn't a lot of edits to do. So that's fine if you want to limit it to level 2 AM's. I just won't do anymore map edits and just report everything.



First off, thank you for your service to your country.

There is still a lot of work to do on the maps, if you look above this change only applies to locked segments. The old policy (years ago) was to lock everything you touched, the current policy is to only lock high-value roads that have been verified & are correct. If you were to read my first post on the topic (9th in the thread overall) you would see that there are many of the old-rules locks in place in strange places.

As for limiting level (2) area managers, a lot of that comes from the fact any one (even a baby wazer) can essentially raise their hand and say "hey I want to be an Area Manager" and are made one. There have been a lot of things messed up by these new users (also addressed in my first post) that locks would have prevented. Hell, there are things I've messed up, and CM's have messed up. The bigger problem is CM's locking things based on the old rules, and now experienced, local AMs who know the area & can easily fix the problem are prevented from doing so.
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