Entrance fees = toll roads?

[bgodette]

Because that's not the only reasonable route? For the roads being discussed, the alternates are +5 to 10 hours of drive time, and the roads are US Highways, not a FSR or a parking lot.

I have an idea - call the national park and ask them if the fee that you pay to enter the park would be considered a toll.

With the McDonalds comment I am trying to make a point. Toll roads should be limited to toll roads, nothing else.

And the definitions you've given haven't excluded these roads, they're classified on other maps/pnd as tolls, and they're routes through the parks not just to them.

It's all my phone's fault for using Tapatalk.

[gettingthere]

And the definitions you've given haven't excluded these roads, they're classified on other maps/pnd as tolls, and they're routes through the parks not just to them.

Well the iOS TomTom Application did not alert me of taking a route with toll roads when I visited Yosemite a few weeks ago...

But you don't need my approval. Do as you wish.

[gettingthere]

Exactly the type of confusion that can occur when specifying a national park road as a toll road:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g6 ... oming.html

[HavanaDay]

Exactly the type of confusion that can occur when specifying a national park road as a toll road:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g6 ... oming.html

I think that link actually proves my point. If I have avoid toll roads on and the that road is marked as a toll road which it probably should be since you can't get on that road without paying a fee (that is my assumption). Will Waze still route me over the toll road since it saves an hour on my trip (using google directions) or will it route me the long way no matter what. If it is the latter I would rather it give me the toll road as an alternative route because $25 might be worth it to me to save an hour off of my trip.

[harling]

If someone sets a destination inside Yosemite, and the roads through it are designated as toll roads, every route there will have the same penalty (assuming they handle it the same as parking lot roads), so I wouldn't anticipate a lot of problems stemming from making them toll roads.

On the other hand, if someone selects "avoid toll roads" and then Waze routes them over any road that demands money to proceed, they aren't going to care whether it's a toll, or a fee, or a surcharge. "Avoid toll road" means "don't make me pay," period.

"Avoid toll road" doesn't mean "don't make me pay at all", it means "take me to my destination while avoiding roads that charge me only for the privilege of driving on them, not for being allowed to enter my destination".

My first paragraph addresses that. The question is, should the roads through Yosemite be designated as toll roads. My conclusion is yes, because

• marking them as toll roads will work for destinations inside Yosemite: the penalty for toll roads will apply to all routes equally, and drivers will not complain because they will expect to pay at the gate (paragraph 1); and
• not marking them as toll roads will not work for destinations outside Yosemite: drivers who choose "avoid toll roads" and get routed through Yosemite WILL complain, because there is no distinction between a toll and an entrance fee as far as they are concerned. (paragraph 2)

[olestas]

Why are you arguing over words? "Toll roads" is just the name of function: if you cannot pass without paying something to somebody - that's the toll road in waze. Not only the official meaning or some dictionary definition. And of course it would be great to see how much you have to pay, so you do not avoid shortcut due to 1$.