CLOSED: New points system (comments welcome)

[hectorzin]

My thoughts based on my experience editing.

We should use the points based on the quality of what we do.
For example. Driving with "record routes" on all the time even when driving over driven zones creater many times bad roads. I think that driving always with "record routes" should be penalty.
I assume that when you are arriving to a new zone you should start recording a bit before, this is assumible, but If the percentaje drived over maded routes with "recording routes on" in a zone is too hign all the points got for this time driving should be zero. This should be done for example for each five miles and removing the points for this five miles if recording over existing roads.

I think that editing should give same points than driving this zone. ie. if driving a motorway during 20 miles give X points, editing all this motorway to give it a name should give the same points as if driven. I think that first time editing should give more points than other editings, to avoid editing some road many times. With this will have more people naming its routes after driving.

It should exists some kind of penalty if we detect for example that a lot of roads has de same name because somebody, select a lot of streets and do a multiedit giving all of them the same name, to get a lot of points. wazers should have the option to report this kind of spam, and then remove a lot of points to de person that did this bad action.

Another important think are connections, one of the most I think. Each connection should give a lot of points, like driving 10 miles for example. people should be rewinded for doing things like that:

http://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=5&lat=41.44902&lon=2.19661&layers=BTFTFFFTFFFFTTFFTTTTTTT&seg-1=60374344

Creating roads manually from the editor should give same point as if created driving.
There are roads that only can be created manually, for example:

http://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=6&lat=41.44611&lon=2.18116&layers=BTFTFFFTFFFFTTFFTTTTTTT&seg-1=60374344

The ramps, the central highway and the paralel street to the road has the same direction. This makes impossible that automatically can be created, usually driving by the street when de highway is created is like driving the highway for waze due to the short distance between both.

But... what to do to avoid people creating long roads only to win points? two possibilities:

if somebody detects this, it should report and then remove two times the points to the person who did it.

another solution is to give the points only at the moment this new road is drived by another waze. But I think it is important to give points when creating miles like the streets I created paralel to the highway.

Changing the geometry should give points also.

Other considerations. Give so many points as the lenght of the road only first time editing, to avoid renaming many times a long highway crosing all the country (maybe we drove all the country, 1000 points, then give a name to all the road, 1000 points), but we should avoif renaming it more times give again 1000 points.

Another consideration. Removing a road that has been created manually should remove the points earned with this road (only if the user that removes it is the same user who created it). This will avoid creating a long road, giving a name and then removing it).

I know that all of this is complicate to handle, and also that with the historical information it is imposible to do this because I think we don't have miles of new roads creaed manually, and miles of roads named for the firs time, but maybe this can be consider in the future.

I hope somebody reads this and think about it.

[hectorzin]

What I saw after more than 10000 edits I can say that the most time dedicated is always doing connection.

You must to calculate de exact point of connection, change geometry of a ramp, and at last connect.
I think connect should give lot of points.

[ahdlm]

from what I can tell, this new system will take my points down from 120,000 to 1,900.
seems severe, but if everyone is being changed by the same system then the raw number doesn't matter.

at the same time, i'll be going from 5 stars down to 1. ouch. I have no idea what that would do to my area manager status, although, with the 5 or 10 mile radius from driven roads one could easily aquire for themselves a similar area of influence on a single weekend outing. the single mile radius that i'd be left with would make things a bit more difficult.

It would be interesting as a feature to be able to see a shaded overlay of the map representing the area of influence that one has aquired with this method so that they could turn it on with the area managers layer and see where they can edit.

It will be interesting to see how this all works out.

[iKonixx]

I have no idea what that would do to my area manager status,

It won't have an affect on the area that you manage. You'll always have full permissions there.

[enormekever]

On the client my points have dropped from 500K to 32K. My Dashboard still displays 500K.

Is this a first sign of the new point system being launched?

[Vikingr]

I am starting to wonder if maybe all of the Hall of Fame lists can be wrong, and not only the Top Wazer list.
If you look at the bottom category on the Record holders list, the highest number of map problems solved by a single user, he have 0 points and no stars....
Hope they change out the points for real numbers on all other than the Top Wazer list asap.

But its actually great fun to try to calculate, just how much work the guys in the top 10 wazer list put in every day, when you use the first post in this thread to calculate with

If you say he have done nothing else than been driving aound, then from what I can figure out:
1 km = 1 point, that means he must have driven around 1 000 000 km the last month, or around 670 000 miles

[sketch]

Is the new point system implemented in the newest iPhone beta release? It shows my points around 225k, where my Dashboard shows around 305k.

If you say he have done nothing else than been driving aound, then from what I can figure out:
1 km = 1 point, that means he must have driven around 1 000 000 km the last month, or around 670 000 miles

Do you not use the points ticker? The current-system seems to have something like 100 points per mile.

[hectorzin]

As you might know, we've been working on revising the points and rank system. We've taken into account comments that we received, as well as other factors such as the ratio between different activities (such as driving vs. editing) that we've seen so far.
Our goal is to encourage people to be active in all aspects of waze; drive (whether new, pacman or existing roads), share (send reports) and update (edit maps, house numbers etc.)

Please keep in mind the new system will change your current points and rank... some will lose and some will gain, but all in all this will allow everybody a fair shot to gain points and rank higher. The points total will be much lower, and the new system will replace the current (i.e. it will run on all your data from the first time you started wazing).

We'll start with accumulating points:

Action || Parameter || Points

Map editing || Save 200 actions || 100
House Numbers || Update 100 numbers || 100
Reports || Send / respond to 50 reports || 100
new road || Record 5 miles || 100
Pacman roads || Drive 20 miles || 100
Known roads || Drive 67 miles || 100
Idle - no action || 1 week of inactivity || -20

Next up, number of stars:

star(s) || points
* || 1000
** || 5000
*** || 20000
**** || 60000
***** || 120000

The number of stars gives you seniority in map editing (i.e. 4 stars user can overrule a decision of 3 stars or lower), as well as other features planned for the future. It's also the indication displayed to other users, next to your nick name, when you choose to be visible.

And last, permissions for map editing:
User history || rights
0-1 stars, 0-600 map editing points || 1 mile radius from driven routes
2-3 stars, 600-1200 map editing points || 5 miles radius from driven routes
4-5 stars, 1200+ map editing points || 10 miles radius from driven routes
Area manager || manual polygon
Regional manager || manual polygon
State manager || state polygon

Thanks

I think 200 map edits is very very very very very very very very very very more tedious than driven 5 miles creating a new road.

[Vikingr]

Why isn't the first post in this thread updated then, it says 67 miles=100 points.
And that also goes very well with how many points I get each day.

If you say he have done nothing else than been driving aound, then from what I can figure out:
1 km = 1 point, that means he must have driven around 1 000 000 km the last month, or around 670 000 miles

Do you not use the points ticker? The current-system seems to have something like 100 points per mile.

[sketch]

Why isn't the first post in this thread updated then, it says 67 miles=100 points.
And that also goes very well with how many points I get each day.

The first post in this thread concerns the new point system which is not yet in effect.