Discussion topic about the official Waze cityname list

[maantje76]

Could you point me this definition of deelgemeente?
I'll try to understand it with my Nederlands remainings, and see if I understand.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deelgemeente_(Belgi%C3%AB)

[petervdveen]

Cities in Belgium with more than 100.000 people can call the 'deelgemeenten' districts.

Antwerpen is the only city wich does this.
For example Merksem is a district in Antwerpen. If Antwerpen would have less than 100.000 people it would be called a 'deelgemeente'.

If I try to translate it it is part village.

in english:
deel = part
gemeente = municipality

in french:
deel = partie
gemeente = Commune

I also found this in wikipedia:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/District

Look at belgique.

[petervdveen]

Question.

I see the following city names in the list:
Saint-Vith and Sankt Vith.

Wich one do we use?

I would prefer the german version.

[maantje76]

Question.

I see the following city names in the list:
Saint-Vith and Sankt Vith.

Wich one do we use?

I would prefer the german version.

In the other examples I made it: 'Saint-Vith / Sankt Vith'

I think there are not that much cities with '2 names', so the map will remain clear...But indeed, according the official language border is better!

[moesterry]

It really was historical...
Thanks for your explanations and links.
I don't think there's some much we can do against it

About Sankt With/Saint-Vith, I'd stick to the "local-language version".

Actually, there are several (many) cities that have several versions. Taking the example of Liège : Liège/Luik/Lüttich...
Another example, which is more... disturbing : Waremme/Borgworm ! (Never found the link between them...)

And moreover, these names should be used in local-language version too when applying for naming a segment, in particular for ramps.

E.g. : in Eupen (which is German-speaking), road signs to the freeway to Liège are written "Lüttich". For a person who's not aware of the different versions, the guidance should be made in accordance to the signs that are present at that particular place.

Hopefully, these places are not so recurrent, and apply the most near linguistic borders:
- around Eupen, Malmédy, Saint-Vith for the German community
- on the freeways along the border between Dutch and French communities and big cities, such as Brussels, Leuven (Louvain), Kortrijk (Courtrai), Brugge (Bruges), Antwerpen (Anvers, but is far from the border, thus should only appear near Bruxelles).

Most boring place will be near Brussels, which is officially two-languages, and thus where every name should be written in Dutch and in French.
This is a thus a pain in the ass for the name of Brussels in itself... We should write it in both languages in the city name of every segment. But which first and in which way, that is the question...

[maantje76]

We should write it in both languages in the city name of every segment. But which first and in which way, that is the question...

Yes, The idea is only to use the local language. As mentioned before, for routing it doesn't matter.

So only for Brussels 'hoofdsetedelijk gewest' we get:


Brussel / Bruxelles
Anderlecht
Elsene / Ixelles
Etterbeek
Evere
Ganshoren
Haren / Haeren
Jette
Koekelberg
Laken / Laeken
Neder-Over-Heembeek
Oudergem / Auderghem
Schaarbeek / Schaerbeek
Sint-Agatha-Berchem / Berchem-Sainte-Agathe
Sint-Gillis / Saint-Gilles
Sint-Jans-Molenbeek / Molenbeek-Saint-Jean
Sint-Joost-ten-Node / Saint-Josse-ten-Noode
Sint-Lambrechts-Woluwe / Woluwe-Saint-Lambert
Sint-Pieters-Woluwe / Woluwe-Saint-Pierre
Ukkel / Uccle
Vorst / Forest
Watermaal-Bosvoorde / Watermael-Boitsfort


So only question is in what order? Well with pain I have to say, I think the French name should come in first place . If you look at streetnames, on the nameshields, also French is the first choise. Ans other maps also uses the French name first.

[moesterry]

Yes, The idea is only to use the local language. As mentioned before, for routing it doesn't matter.

For routing not, but for visual (and maybe one day audio) instructions, it does.


Great enumeration. I have to say I have no idea the way it's done on shields. Provided we have a convention, I've got no preference.
Maybe see if there's already something in this way that is done, and see which seems to be more popular?

[TefoTef]

As there are a lot more french speaking persons than dutch speaking persons living in Brussels, I would also recommend naming the places with french - dutch.

A second "problem" may also be seen: the places with facilities for the second national language. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipali ... facilities ) The most known are in Flanders, with facilities for french speaking persons, but there are also some in Wallonie for ducth speaking persons.

Even if some of these cities contains more than 50% (and sometimes ~95%) of non-native speaking, I would recomand holding the name of the city in the local language. Iv'e made some tries on the map with Sint-Genesius-Rode - Rhode-Saint-Genèse , but the names becomes unreadables, and everyone know those names.

The perfect way for Waze to work with multiple languages would be to let the users to set a default language for a city name, and add multiple different translation of that name for many languages. Same thing for streets.

example:

FR: Dunkerque
NL: Duinkerk
EN: Dunkirk

Brussels - Brussel - Bruxelles - Brusselas, etc.

Those names would be shown on the client with the default language, or in the language of the user if the name has a translation for that language.

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[maantje76]

Maybe see if there's already something in this way that is done, and see which seems to be more popular?

I think the biggest part uf Brussels is talking French. So let's keep it that way? We can always change this easily directly in the DB.

We can discuss about this with the Belgium community, but it seems you are the only person


**EDIT** I ahve to take back the last part

[moesterry]

We can discuss about this with the Belgium community, but it seems you are the only person

I'd be the majority and the unanimity. That is, The Chief

**EDIT** I ahve to take back the last part

Bad luck for both ?