Alternative Junction Naming Scheme for UK

[gettingthere]

Sorry to invade the conversation...

I can assure you that not all exits from highways in the United States lead to only one road.

I agree that 'to' in a ramp name is silly and redundant. Every road and ramp goes to somewhere, yes?

[dknight212]

The exciting quote section:

I think the current format is very confusing.

In what way? How is "M1 (N) J10 Exit" confusing?

Purely because (in my view) inexperienced drivers look for the following information when exiting a motorway: junction number and destination (route name and/or town name).

Someone who is not familiar with a road may not remember that they are on the M1 (not everyone is as experienced as you) and when they see "M1(N) J10 exit" they may miss the J10 because they are looking for Luton Airport or whatever and not the M1.

I know others disagree but I think the priority on naming should be for navigation not traffic reporting. Traffic reports show on the screen (albeit this is not helpful at a glance) and Waze should route around major problems. But I also recognise that the left turn for the exit will also show on the screen so it comes down to personal preference.

At the end of day it's most important we all follow the same convention whichever we decide. At least that way users get used to the layout of ramp names.

[xteejx]

OK here goes...
I'm on the fence here but swaying more towards Bain here. Although it would be bloody brilliant to have this information shown like TomTom does, until Waze add these features it is a little pointless adding it to just have to piss about in a years time. I mean how long have we been asking for a county field?
I don't think having TTS rolling off a long list of possible destinations from an exit is practical, it would take too long and confuse the majority of drivers. Where it could be useful is if there was maybe one major road from an exit like M26 onto M25 in which case a "exit left onto M26" would be fine, but it already does that. Same with roundabouts; if it's unnamed TTS will say the next road... which will be on the signs anyway. We can't assume someone is taking the main route.
However...I do think the entry exit looks stupid and at times it does confuse me. Entry more so as if you are entering a motorway or dual carriageway it's pretty obvious and doesn't need to be said considering it'll say "onto Mxx" anyway.
Using the city field should be a big no no and won't work anyway. The towns with more than 10 roads will take preference in reports making the city thing useless.
In summary, do whatever just keep the rest of us in the loop and if possible remove entry it's a stupid idea. Exit I think is fine.

*await flaming*

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[dmcconachie]

However...I do think the entry exit looks stupid and at times it does confuse me. Entry more so as if you are entering a motorway or dual carriageway it's pretty obvious and doesn't need to be said considering it'll say "onto Mxx" anyway.
Using the city field should be a big no no and won't work anyway. The towns with more than 10 roads will take preference in reports making the city thing useless.
In summary, do whatever just keep the rest of us in the loop and if possible remove entry it's a stupid idea. Exit I think is fine.

How is "Entry" confusing!? And yes it may be obvious in terms of navigating, so just ignore it, but it serves a purpose for road reports!

[xteejx]

Fair enough. Makes sense now

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[CTCNetwork]

Hi,

Right. Took way too long to reply to this.

Pretty much what he says.

I like the "Landmark" idea as it makes it quite clear that you are approaching x junction or y roundabout (where they have names) or whatever it may be
Yes, for entry and exit as above - it is simple. It is clear.

Strange to say this but I usually check my route if I am going somewhere I have not been before so I know pretty much where I am going. I use the above junction "Landmarks" (where they exist) as pointers because I do not always follow the route Waze tells me to (from either experience or personal preference).

So, just like creating and editing junctions and roundabouts, simpler is better.

Des. . .

[faitaru]

I disagree. The driver only needs to know the most major one or two road names so he can be confident that he has the correct junction. Remember, junction numbers are small...

Junction numbers are small on the signs, sure. However, and I don't know if this is the case for everyone else but it certainly is for me, if I'm giving someone directions or explaining where something is off a motorway, my sentence would start with "You need to come off at junction..."

Okay, so it looks like my ideas have been shot to pieces. I concede that using the city name is just not going to stick. I'm not ready to give up on the ramp names though...

So, how about these?

• Motorways - "Exit: J44 to A64"
• Dual-Carriageways - "Exit to A19 - Selby"
• On Ramps: "Entry to A64 (W)"

Why? I think that if we start ramp names with the word "Exit" we'll get "exit left" instructions instead of "keep left". The only downside is that you have to loose the current road name (which is unnecessary for navigation). Could always add "from M1" on the end maybe?

Example: "Exit: J44 to A64 from A1 (N)" would be displayed/read by the client as "Exit left at J44 to A64 from A1 (N)"

I think you're confused about something. My client currently tells me to "exit left" regardless of how a slip road is named, or if it's even named before.

Basically it seems to me that you take issue with the fact we're currently including the current road name at the start of a slip name. Changing "A1 (N) J44 Exit to A64" to "Exit: J44 to A64 from A1 (N)" is doing nothing but rearranging the information and in my opinion making the name more confusing.

I can assure you that not all exits from highways in the United States lead to only one road.

My bad, over generalisation there I guess. I've driven a lot in Chicago and SF, and I've also driven across America along interstates in the south, and in my experience exits which lead to more than one road were few and far between. I think my overall point was the fact that the greater majority of junctions from UK motorway lead to roundabouts or complicated interchanges with many roads leading off them. I just feel that labelling a junction with just the "major" road that it leads to is not overly helpful, especially when you're going to immediately get instructions for the road you want to take as soon as you hit the slip.

Purely because (in my view) inexperienced drivers look for the following information when exiting a motorway: junction number and destination (route name and/or town name).

Someone who is not familiar with a road may not remember that they are on the M1 (not everyone is as experienced as you) and when they see "M1(N) J10 exit" they may miss the J10 because they are looking for Luton Airport or whatever and not the M1.

I guess I have no reply to this other than to say I entirely disagree with that. Even on the old 2.* clients with the info down the bottom, I feel that it is clear enough for people to be able to read the whole thing without "missing" any of the info. On the new 3.* clients it's even clearer, especially if it's just "M1 (N) J10 Exit" with no other extra info. It fits nicely on one line in a nice big noticeable size. Besides which they will have the exit left image, along with the client telling them to exit left in 1 mile/half a mile/whatever.

[dknight212]

Purely because (in my view) inexperienced drivers look for the following information when exiting a motorway: junction number and destination (route name and/or town name).

Someone who is not familiar with a road may not remember that they are on the M1 (not everyone is as experienced as you) and when they see "M1(N) J10 exit" they may miss the J10 because they are looking for Luton Airport or whatever and not the M1.

I guess I have no reply to this other than to say I entirely disagree with that. Even on the old 2.* clients with the info down the bottom, I feel that it is clear enough for people to be able to read the whole thing without "missing" any of the info. On the new 3.* clients it's even clearer, especially if it's just "M1 (N) J10 Exit" with no other extra info. It fits nicely on one line in a nice big noticeable size. Besides which they will have the exit left image, along with the client telling them to exit left in 1 mile/half a mile/whatever.

Quite happy to be outvoted on this one. On a point of order, how do we resolve/agree these sorts of issues? It seems some of them just go round and round and we never get to a conclusion.

[xteejx]

Any online voting or poll system so we can just vote on each possibility without arguing over semantics?

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[dknight212]

We'll probably argue over which system to use...

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