Ramps/sliproads

[faitaru]

And don't get me started on road names on roundabouts...

Came across this bugger today:
http://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=2 ... FFFFFFTTTT

I nearly drove off the road in disgust. Completely useless using for navigation (didn't help that it's roundabout node has gone missing too). I'm all for unnamed roundabout roads and named POI (there is even a "traffic circle" POI category!)

[xteejx]

WTF!? I think someone at the Highways Agency was a bit trigger happy with their pen and paper when they designed that...
My question was completley missed in all 3 pages of the forum post
What about dual carriageways that don't have numbered juctions? Can we set a convention for that, i.e. A249 (N) - Iwade/Lower Halstow OR L.Halstow Or with/without the " - " for screen estate issues - so the form
<Road name/number> <(Direction)> - <Signposted town(s)> OR
<Road name/number> <(Direction)> <Signposted town(s)>
Any prefences here? (I'm looking at you dmc, you seem to be the Wiki guy )

[dmcconachie]

I guess the danger is we get too prescriptive. Also I don't think any road that doesn't have a numeric designation should have ramps to/from.

My proposal would be:

<Number> (<direction>) <optional junction name> <Entry/Exit> <optional road name/number>

The danger is you end up with something as meaty as:
A720 - Edinburgh City Bypass (E) Straiton Jct Exit to A701 - Burdiehouse Rd
Quite franky I'd throw my phone out the window if it gave me that!

That particular junction I have as
A720 (E) - Straiton Jct Exit

[faitaru]

I think you can skip road "names" on slips. Numbers are enough.

(Got more to say on this when I get home)

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[dmcconachie]

I think you can skip road "names" on slips. Numbers are enough.

I actually find them very helpful! More so than the name of the subsequent road.

[xteejx]

Well what's good enough for TomTom should be good enough for us They've had it for yonks, showing where the sliproad leads to, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same, but dmc I agree with that convention, although personally I would do it the way I explained (although that actually still follows that convention, so wouldn't be a problem). It's always nice to know what road you're turning onto instead of mindlessly following a phone screen, and when Waze integrates it with the TTS on Android and iPhone(?) I don't think screen estate would be much of an issue any more. Besdies, more information is better than a lack of information...I think anyway

Actually saying that...is there really any reason at all to say the carriagway name that you're turning off from? It seems a bit informaiton overload when it's pretty obvious that you're on it, so it'd be from A249 (N) to A249 (N) - Sheppey Way - Iwade

Still think A249 (N) - Iwade is better....at least in rural areas like that....actually ignore me ?I'm in two minds now and getting REALLY confused, I'm sure you're confused reading it

[dmcconachie]

It'll show the name of the next road as soon as you're on the ramp!

[xteejx]

Oh.....or should I say "D'Oh". Didn't know that...
Makes even more sense now (especially for rural areas - look at my example http://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=5 ... FFFTFFTTTT ) that it should just be "A249 (N) - Iwade/L.Halstow", since the signpost says it. That particular sliproad doesn't really go anywhere else, and doesn't lead onto any A or B road. Kent is fooked up...

[faitaru]

The danger is you end up with something as meaty as:
A720 - Edinburgh City Bypass (E) Straiton Jct Exit to A701 - Burdiehouse Rd
Quite franky I'd throw my phone out the window if it gave me that!

That particular junction I have as
A720 (E) - Straiton Jct Exit

I actually find them very helpful! More so than the name of the subsequent road.

I'm confused, since you basically just contradicted yourself there. Or maybe you misunderstood what I was getting at.

I was actually agreeing with your first comment; there would be no need to have "Edinburgh City Bypass" on that slip section, as that is information overload on there. If the road is numbered then you only need the number on the slip to let people know that's the road it's coming off of. If the road isn't numbered, then I really don't think it warrants having named slips anyway.

Well what's good enough for TomTom should be good enough for us They've had it for yonks, showing where the sliproad leads to, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same, but dmc I agree with that convention, although personally I would do it the way I explained (although that actually still follows that convention, so wouldn't be a problem). It's always nice to know what road you're turning onto instead of mindlessly following a phone screen, and when Waze integrates it with the TTS on Android and iPhone(?) I don't think screen estate would be much of an issue any more. Besdies, more information is better than a lack of information...I think anyway

The thing with TomTom is that a) it displays exit information on screen along with the bottom bar, and b) it's always in landscape mode, giving it more space on the bottom bar anyway. I tend to use waze in portrait, and when you get long road and slip names there, the font starts to get very very small.

Actually saying that...is there really any reason at all to say the carriagway name that you're turning off from? It seems a bit informaiton overload when it's pretty obvious that you're on it, so it'd be from A249 (N) to A249 (N) - Sheppey Way - Iwade

That was the point I was making in my post earlier.

I'll return to my earlier point that I think the junctions should have as much or as little information on them as the AM feels is required. Motorway junctions for example, don't really need that much info attached. If it displays even just the junction number, I feel like that's enough info for most people to figure out what's going on. The exception I guess is where you have many exits in quick succession at one junction, but again it's junction dependent. Smaller A road dual carriageways might require more detail (especially when they don't have numbered junctions). As I mentioned in my previous post, I plan on labelling the A30 and A38 junctions with their "junction name", as these appear at the top of the signs as you approach them. This info should make it easy enough for drivers to associate the turn off on the waze instructions with the physical turn off on the road.

[dmcconachie]

The danger is you end up with something as meaty as:
A720 - Edinburgh City Bypass (E) Straiton Jct Exit to A701 - Burdiehouse Rd
Quite franky I'd throw my phone out the window if it gave me that!

That particular junction I have as
A720 (E) - Straiton Jct Exit

I actually find them very helpful! More so than the name of the subsequent road.

I'm confused, since you basically just contradicted yourself there. Or maybe you misunderstood what I was getting at.

No I mean I find the junction name useful, in this case "Straiton Jct" for the same reason you mention below...

I plan on labelling the A30 and A38 junctions with their "junction name", as these appear at the top of the signs as you approach them.

The huge example above was just an example of how bad it could get and by no means an example of what should be used!

I agree that it should be at the AM's discretion but I think they should have a familiar form hence the optional sections in the template!