Waze suggests I drive down alleys

by **AlanOfTheBerg** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:55 am

In those places where alleys simply make no sense, you could delete them I suppose.

by **failsafe** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:00 am

I could, but then someone else would just draw them in again.

It just feels like we're constantly working against each other.

by **AlanOfTheBerg** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:33 am

Crowdsourced and collaborative projects like the Waze map definitely can have that feel sometimes depending on whether everyone is on the same page.

Waze just announced they are going to rebuild their internal addressing to be point-specific, so we could, in 6-8 months, have an internal lat/lon-based addressing system which will allow us to specify with much more detail and precision, the exact location to direct drivers to within Waze and without having to reference external sources.

by **failsafe** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:06 pm

That is certainly a move in the right direction!

by **ArlenBystander** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:17 pm

failsafe wrote:In Chicago, the default is generally not. We've had someone recently jump from editing level 1 to 4 rather quickly seemingly doing nothing but activating alley turns. Alleys here are usually applicable for homeowners with garages, who already know the last few blocks to the destination.

I'm guessing I'm the person being referred to here since I recently went to level 4 and have been fixing turn restrictions (reverse connect, u-turn, etc.) and other things around Chicagoland. My understanding from reading the forums and wiki regarding alleys are they should be set to type Parking Lot Road (to avoid routing other than for destinations), name them Alley, and to set turn restrictions according to whether or not one can make the turn. I could find nothing to the contrary for the Chicago area.

If there is a consensus - such as disabling all turns into or out of alleys - for the Chicago area, let me know and I'll fix the alleys I changed; at least until someone else comes along. I'm guessing we'll then be dealing with reports caused by turns contrary to the set restrictions but I guess that may be less annoying to people than being routed into an alley for their destination. FYI, I see no problem with deleting alleys in Chicago if we're not going to use them for routing. We'll probably get road too far apart reports but again may be less of an issue for those other than editors.

I would also suggest the Illinois wiki section be updated with whatever is agreed upon to aid future new editors.

by **bigbear3764** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:15 pm

ArlenBystander wrote:
I would also suggest the Illinois wiki section be updated with whatever is agreed upon to aid future new editors.

This is my after Xmas break plan is to attack and set up the wiki for our area. I'm just not the computer savi guy. I have been looking how it is set up in other states. Wisconsin just updated theirs and Connecticut has a real nice one.

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by **ArlenBystander** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:36 pm

bigbear3764 wrote:
ArlenBystander wrote:
I would also suggest the Illinois wiki section be updated with whatever is agreed upon to aid future new editors.

This is my after Xmas break plan is to attack and set up the wiki for our area. I'm just not the computer savi guy. I have been looking how it is set up in other states. Wisconsin just updated theirs and Connecticut has a real nice one.

I can definitely help out. I'll start looking at the other states' pages to see how they have been set up.

by **jasonh300** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:56 pm

There's no reason to restrict turns into an alley if the alley is properly marked as a PLot road. Red arrows are too inviting to people to try to fix something.

There's also nowhere in the editing standards that say that an Alley should have any name unless there is a street sign indicating a name. There is no practical purpose for putting an "Alley" label on an alley.

Via my iPhone 3GS.

by **bigbear3764** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:08 pm

jasonh300 wrote:There is no practical purpose for putting an "Alley" label on an alley.

Via my iPhone 3GS.

Well, the one that helped last year when I started was that all these alleys were marked as streets. With a name attached, I could select all segments and change a large section to plots with one save. What would guidance do with an unnamed street when it wants you to turn on it? Won't it give the name of the next named segment? I think that's more confusing than giving a turn right on alley direction. At least I know where it's sending me.

As far as deleting them, the only problem I see is that they will be added again. Kinda like plot roads everywhere else. Never ending battle.

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by **jasonh300** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:17 am

If the alley is marked as a PLot, navigation will never route you onto it unless its the end of the route. Just like any other Parking lot type of road, it should have no name.

Via my iPhone 3GS.