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Navigation included a closed communities

Postby avarfe68 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:29 am

Sometimes, when I used navigation mode (using a favorite), WAZE use a streets passing thru closed or gated communities. How can I change in the map and fix the error?

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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby bgodette » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:48 am

avarfe68 wrote:Sometimes, when I used navigation mode (using a favorite), WAZE use a streets passing thru closed or gated communities. How can I change in the map and fix the error?

THX and greetings from Costa Rica.
Change the road type of each segment that is access into and out of the gated community to Private Road as a first step. That generally adds enough additional cost to solve such issues while still allowing someone to route to/from a location inside the community.
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby CBenson » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:46 am

Is there any disadvantage to making all the roads in a gated community "private roads?" The penalty for private roads doesn't seem to be as strong as "parking lot roads."
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:47 pm

CBenson wrote:Is there any disadvantage to making all the roads in a gated community "private roads?" The penalty for private roads doesn't seem to be as strong as "parking lot roads."

Wasn't there a thread recently where a private business/government location Waze routed through as a short-cut, but when setting all the roads to private, the editor said that routing was odd within the site then, similar to parking lot roads, using the least-segment routing?
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby bgodette » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:48 pm

CBenson wrote:Is there any disadvantage to making all the roads in a gated community "private roads?" The penalty for private roads doesn't seem to be as strong as "parking lot roads."
I'm not sure. There was a thread about a campus in Florida (I believe it was a NASA campus so look around Cape Canaveral) that all internals were set to Private Road, it may still be that way so is a reasonable place to do testing with the Live Map and client.
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby gettingthere » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:01 pm

I have been able to route properly through communities where ALL of the roads are set to private roads. I would suggest this configuration in most cases. The penalty will be higher with each private segment and make it less likely that Waze will try to route through the private community to another location.

Of course Waze can/will still route through private gated communities in some cases where the routing penalty is lower to go through the private community than all the way around. I have seen this also.
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby CBenson » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:33 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Wasn't there a thread recently where a private business/government location Waze routed through as a short-cut, but when setting all the roads to private, the editor said that routing was odd within the site then, similar to parking lot roads, using the least-segment routing?


There was my thread a little while back where I suggested this. But after further editing concluded that the private roads did not have that effect. That's why I was wondering if there is any reason not to use all private roads.
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby gettingthere » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:46 pm

CBenson wrote:There was my thread a little while back where I suggested this. But after further editing concluded that the private roads did not have that effect. That's why I was wondering if there is any reason not to use all private roads.


All of the segments in behind the restricted access are 'private' so it makes since that all of the road segments should be set to the type private road.

Would we set only the first segment of a highway to type highway and the rest to type street? No. Should be the same with Private Roads.

Of course per other threads, Parking lot Roads seem to be the exception in some cases due to known routing issues (Parking Lot Roads having a higher penalty than turn restrictions). I am really wondering if the expanded use of Parking Lot roads and mapping Parking Lots is causing more issues than it is fixing. But that is another discussion.

In my experience, Private Road type for all private road segments does not hose the routing into and our of the Private area.
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby CBenson » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:41 pm

Hmm, looking back at my thread about NASA's Goddard campus, I see that waze again routes through the campus. The turn restrictions have been changed to allow turns onto the campus. Thus, it seems the private road designation here is not enough to prevent routing through the campus.

This highlights two improvements I would like to see in the editor. 1) The ability to annotate edits. 2) The ability to see who made the last changes to turn restrictions (here there are signs of both a new editor and an ign editor in the area).
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Re: Navigation included a closed communities

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:33 pm

Turn restrictions can be opened automatically. That may or may not be the case at the Goddard entrance. Unsure if locking segments can prevent this.
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