People are still using satellite images to do their edits

by **joe01romano** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:28 pm

Unfortunately there are some people who don't take the time to do the right edits, which is to check if there were any road changes by driving to the area to verify the road layout on the map is what is suppose to be, but do their edits by going with the satellite image and change the geometry to match the image which is wrong because the road geometry has changed.(In the map editing forum it does stipulate not to use the satellite image to do your edits.) These two, EECGeek and ign-kateryna change the road image to match with the satellite image resulting in wrong road geometry and also putting back roads that were deleted. I have done these road changes last year to match the new layout, but unfortunately had to redo it by driving back to these areas and trace back these roads with the gps tracking in the route archives. The areas are http://www.waze.com/cartouche_old/?zoom ... FFFTFFTTTT and at http://www.waze.com/cartouche_old/?zoom ... FFFTFFTTTT. If anyone reading this subject and you are from ottawa, ontario, canada, and do know these guys, please tell them not to do edits by satellite image. It is frustrating to retrace the roads again when they were done right the first time after the road construction in that area.

by **AlanOfTheBerg** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:20 pm

I'm curious why you are using Cartouche to edit?

by **crazycomputingdotnet** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:59 pm

ign-kateryna is someone that waze hired to do map editing. You can report all ign issues here:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12644

I had the exact same issue with that ign myself with a major highway through OKC.

by **invented** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:37 am

I find the Bing images to be helpful, but they're pretty outdated. Often the base map geometry sucks and it can help to snap roads and create gentle curves, etc. However, if one does not have an intricate knowledge of the area (like I do of mine), inexperienced users will draw back in realigned roads and things.

by **mikecash** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:04 am

I'd like to know how to pull up something other than Bing. I live in a country with no basemap and....maddeningly....useful satellite imagery ends just a couple of kilometers away from my city. I don't see how they could have detailed images of every cow path up to that point and then nothing but useless splotchy blobs for a large city right in the adjacent section, but that's how it is.

dmcconachie · by **dmcconachie** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:48 am

Bing is currently your only option I'm afraid.

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by **mikecash** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:41 am

I was afraid of that, but given the half-assed nature of Waze it is about what I expected. Thanks for answering.

dmcconachie · by **dmcconachie** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:46 am

mikecash wrote:I was afraid of that, but given the half-assed nature of Waze it is about what I expected. Thanks for answering.

Half-assed? It's free, we're lucky to have aerials at all!

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by **rwstout** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:08 am

mikecash wrote:I'd like to know how to pull up something other than Bing. I live in a country with no basemap and....maddeningly....useful satellite imagery ends just a couple of kilometers away from my city. I don't see how they could have detailed images of every cow path up to that point and then nothing but useless splotchy blobs for a large city right in the adjacent section, but that's how it is.

Have you tried Open Street Map already?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/

by **mikecash** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:47 am

dmcconachie wrote:
mikecash wrote:I was afraid of that, but given the half-assed nature of Waze it is about what I expected. Thanks for answering.

Half-assed? It's free, we're lucky to have aerials at all!

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If the time we spend doing Waze's work for them is worth anything, it is the most expensive "free" app going. I think it reasonable to expect them to do a heck of a lot better job than they are doing so, yes, I do consider Waze to be of a half-assed nature.

The free aerials don't exist because of Waze, so surely you didn't mean to offer that as a refutation of my point.

rwstout wrote:
mikecash wrote:I'd like to know how to pull up something other than Bing. I live in a country with no basemap and....maddeningly....useful satellite imagery ends just a couple of kilometers away from my city. I don't see how they could have detailed images of every cow path up to that point and then nothing but useless splotchy blobs for a large city right in the adjacent section, but that's how it is.

Have you tried Open Street Map already?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/

Yes, and it is wretchedly incomplete for Japan.

There are several splendid paid and free map and navigation app options available for Japan, with extraordinary accuracy and functionality, which I strongly suspect Waze will NEVER have. There is no language localization, they seem clueless to the fact we don't use street names and house numbers, there is ZERO basemap (we do it all from scratch), and even for a major city like Tokyo you will never see more than two or three Wazers active so it is useless for traffic information. When I first checked out the forum, I was amazed at all the posts about problems with the navigation function....because Waze is so poorly implemented here it never even dawned on me that it HAS a navigation function. Over here we mess around with Waze pretty much for the same reason you might while away some idle time pointlessly working on a jigsaw puzzle.

They are crap for map or point updates, the app is bloody useless (at least here) for what it purports to be, and the users apparently do 99% of the work on the thing. Yeah, I called it a half-assed app. And that's a charitable assessment of it.