Locked roads ... please disable this posibility

by **KoekieMie** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:59 pm

I don't know why this option exists but it is very annoying.
I have at least 3 corrections to make since months, but because of someone having locked one or more of the roads crossing, I can't. This are elementary changes to crossings I take every day.
Waze isn't useful if those people keep locking roads.

So please waze developers: remove the possibility to lock roads or at least limit the lock in time (eg. 24 hours).

by **maantje76** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:05 pm

In the past locking was important. In that time Waze automaticaly changed geometry and driving directions. This is still the situation with segments that are never editted. A soon a segment is editted this behavour shouldn't be there anymore.

These days it's less important for the normal roads, but for freeways, highways and sometimes 1-ways it is still important to protect the map against new editors that don't know or don't follow the rules. They can do much more damage to the map than just a crossing road

This can be an accident, but also bad intentions...

Locking system will change in the future. In the meantime the locking system is getting changed to better protect the map. I expect this in a week or so...But I can't tell you any details yet...As soon the new system is active I'll post info on the forum how it works....

If you have problems with locked segments, you can post a request to unlock or change in this topic.

by **ocram1984** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:53 pm

It is indeed very annoying, especially when you've made a lot of changes and when saving those changes, you'll get a message saying that you can't save, so you'll have to undo everything up to the point where you made a change that wasn't allowed, takes the fun out of it pretty fast....

by **maantje76** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:44 pm

ocram1984 wrote:It is indeed very annoying, especially when you've made a lot of changes and when saving those changes, you'll get a message saying that you can't save, so you'll have to undo everything up to the point where you made a change that wasn't allowed, takes the fun out of it pretty fast....

At the moment the only way you can have problems with saving is when you split a segment that is locked by a higher ranked editor. As soon you press save in that situation, you get the no permissions error popup.

Other changes to higher locked segment you simply can't do, because they are greyed out...Or you discovered a bug...If so, let us know!

by **ocram1984** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:13 pm

It is probably the first ...

Would have been beter of he did it all correct, because my area is full of errors.... impossible todo a request for each of them

by **maantje76** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:39 pm

ocram1984 wrote:It is probably the first ...

Would have been beter of he did it all correct, because my area is full of errors.... impossible todo a request for each of them

I understand that....We try to find a solution together with Waze, but this is also positive, people that normally never visit the forum are now! Hopefully they keep doing this in the future!

So question for you, are you visiting the forum on a regulary base? And the (Belgium) WIKI? Lot's of the editor's aren't and start editting without knowing the 'rules' they have to follow... That's one of the reasons Waze made this dicission together with the Waze Champs.

This permission system is just temporary. Waze is developing a new system, depending on road importancy. But don't expect this will be ready in a short time...

by **jvanorshoven** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:18 am

First of all I would like to say that it is not because someone doesn't write alot on the forum, that he isn't visiting and reading it. Some people just read alot and don't like to comment on every post that is written. I'm that kind of person :-)

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That said, I find it annoying too that I can't change the locked segments anymore in the area I manage.

I recently became an AM and already converted a lot of N and R-roads (and other roads as well) in my area according to the road classification rules. I think it's not a good thing that for every locked segment you have to ask to unlock first before you can change anything. I think that is very time consuming and people will give up eventually. So I hope a new system can be worked out quickly.

I like Waze alot, and I've always liked working with maps, so I hope they will continue the good work. It's only because of a few enthousiastic people that the maps can be kept as up to date as possible and it would be a shame those people would give up because of some rules that make it impossible to work with in an easy way.

Jimmy.

by **ocram1984** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:24 am

I'm pretty new to waze, still a baby, but I read the wiki and saw the movies, besides it isn't exactly rocket science....

In my area a lot and I mean a lot of the roads are one way on the current map, while in reality they are two way, because nobody ever drove them. When munching they change so...

It's also not frustating that I can't change a major road, but it is frustating that after I've corrected an entire suburb, I can't save because I made a small adjustment in the beginning (perhaps a little change to the crossroad point on a "partially locked street"). It lets you now the fault I made and that I haven't the permission, but it won't let me undo that particular mistake.

So it's basically all or nothing, wich in my case this time meant nothing, because I'm not doing it al over again.

At the moment waze is pretty useless in my area, no streetnames, all suburbs are one way, from small streets going onto big streets isn't allowed, missing speedcams, missing roads, ...

But we shall wait and see what the future brings.

by **bartdesmedt** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:42 am

I agree, it's very inconvenient.
Only solution I have, a lot of saving small changes...

by **maantje76** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:20 am

ocram1984 wrote:I'm pretty new to waze, still a baby, but I read the wiki and saw the movies, besides it isn't exactly rocket science....
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Also the Belgium wiki?

Visiting the forum and wiki regulary is important, because rules changes or added sometimes...

Naming à street and setting directions isn't rocket science indeed, but à good routing is...

In Belgium you guys don't have much problems with locked segments. The only editors with à higher rank than level 4 (2) are sevillan, petervdveen, fvwazing, robin1979, and I. Edits of fvwazing are from long time ago and are not according the rules we are using now...I think as soon he's done with his to do list, he will change it correct.

I also locked à few parts of N-roads, before the rules. Connected roads should have correct tr's most of the time. All edit's after de basis rules should be correct. Offcourse there will be certain situations that are incorrect. As soon all citynames are in the database, we will start with the major n-roads.

What we are asking waze to do, but that isn't à promisse, is to unlock all segments that aren't freeway and major or minor highway. And we like to see segments that are locked with a 1-way or unknown directivity, get a level 4 (2) lock, so AM's can change those.

In à few days the AM request process is also changing. I'll try to inform you all about that in new topic later today or tomorrow...