# Bus lanes and motorcycles
**URL:** https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148
**Category:** United Kingdom
**Created:** [February 3, 2012, 8:49am UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148 "2012-02-03T08:49:00Z")
**Posts on this page:** 19
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### Author:  [@dknight212](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/dknight212)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2012, 8:49am UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/1 "2012-02-03T08:49:00Z")
In London (here I go again), motorcycles are now allowed to use some bus lanes, see:
[http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/redroutes/10151.aspx](http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/redroutes/10151.aspx)
This then means we need to take a decision on how to map (permanent) bus-only lanes. Given the risk of routing cars onto bus lanes I think we should continue the policy of not mapping them (or at least mapping them as no entry).
If we agree, can we add this to the Wiki please?
Do any motorcycle users want to give their perspective?
Does this occur anywhere else?
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### Author:  [@Timbones](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/Timbones)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2012, 10:04am UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/2 "2012-02-03T10:04:22Z")
Here’s one way to look at it: if we force motorcyclists to follow the same route that cars have to, then they will still get to their destination. The bus lanes are only shortcuts for them, and probably aren’t needed most of the time. If they are local and know the area, then they’ll take the shortcuts anyway, and Waze will update the route as it goes.
I think the risk of routing a car the wrong way significantly outweighs the occasional benefit to a motorcyclist.
Savvy?
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### Author:  [@dknight212](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/dknight212)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2012, 10:12am UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/3 "2012-02-03T10:12:31Z")
> [@Timbones](#):
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> Here’s one way to look at it: if we force motorcyclists to follow the same route that cars have to, then they will still get to their destination. The bus lanes are only shortcuts for them, and probably aren’t needed most of the time. If they are local and know the area, then they’ll take the shortcuts anyway, and Waze will update the route as it goes.
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> I think the risk of routing a car the wrong way significantly outweighs the occasional benefit to a motorcyclist.
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> Savvy?
I know I agree. It would be good if a motorcyclist could give us their view.
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### Author:  [@leocylau](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/leocylau)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/4 "2012-02-06T18:44:47Z")
Yes, let the motorwazers give their ideas.
> [@dknight212](#):
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> Given the risk of routing cars onto bus lanes I think we should continue the policy of not mapping them (or at least mapping them as no entry).
One thing I’m struggle to map them as no entry. If the bus lane marked as ‘no entry’ is one of the exit of a roundabout, it wouldn’t be counted as the exit. In this case for motorcylist, the bus lane should be counted.
Furthermore, if it is ‘no car lane’, for e.g. [https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat=54.9751&lon=-1.60673&layers=BFTFTTTFTTFTFFTFTTTTT&segments=137375575](https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat=54.9751&lon=-1.60673&layers=BFTFTTTFTTFTFFTFTTTTT&segments=137375575), I’ll mark it as one way and then mark ‘no entry’ on its continuous segment. Not sure if it is good idea.
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### Author:  [@dknight212](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/dknight212)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/5 "2012-02-06T18:49:44Z")
Or maybe just a short stub off the roundabout?
David, using Tapatalk
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### Author:  [@leocylau](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/leocylau)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/6 "2012-02-06T19:05:02Z")
> [@dknight212](#):
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> Or maybe just a short stub off the roundabout?
Yes, I have done on some roundabout already. It normally happens in front of bus terminus. Like this one: [https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat=55.01213&lon=-1.62084&layers=BFTFTTTTTTFTFFTFTTTTT&segments=145632213](https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat=55.01213&lon=-1.62084&layers=BFTFTTTTTTFTFFTFTTTTT&segments=145632213)
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### Author:  [@gettingthere](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/gettingthere)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/7 "2012-02-07T03:41:00Z")
Setting any road types as ‘no entry’ does not prevent routing. ‘no entry’ if the default state of roads that will get updated directionality as Wazers drive the road. This is not a valid option to stop routing on busways. (there are a couple of other active threads with similar discussions)
Turn restrictions can help, but are not foolproof since the add a routing penalty only.
Not really any great options at this time.
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### Author:  [@Timbones](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/Timbones)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2012, 10:02am UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/8 "2012-02-07T10:02:04Z")
> [@gettingthere](#):
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> ‘no entry’ if the default state of roads that will get updated directionality as Wazers drive the road.
Will locking the segment prevent it from being updated? If not, then this means that when motorcyclists do go down the bus lane, it may get opened up to other road users too.
Best solution for this is perhaps to make the road 1-way, but disconnected from the entry junction. This should allow correct routing for any motorcyclists that decide to take a shortcut.
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### Author:  [@leocylau](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/leocylau)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/9 "2012-02-07T12:59:15Z")
An other way I can think of is to allow us to choose what type of vehicle we use and add no car line, bus only, no heavy vehicle, etc. I remember there is a thread somewhere to discuss this.
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### Author:  [@dmcconachie](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/dmcconachie)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/10 "2012-02-07T13:16:46Z")
> [@leo\_lau](#):
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> An other way I can think of is to allow us to choose what type of vehicle we use and add no car line, bus only, no heavy vehicle, etc. I remember there is a thread somewhere to discuss this.
It’s in the roadmap. Vehicle type in the nearer term, routing according to type probably further out!
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### Author:  [@gettingthere](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/gettingthere)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/11 "2012-02-07T14:15:29Z")
> [@Timbones](#):
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> Will locking the segment prevent it from being updated? If not, then this means that when motorcyclists do go down the bus lane, it may get opened up to other road users too.
According to Waze employee Sagi, per another recent thread - locking a no entry segment will NOT keep the directionality from being updated by Wazers drives on the segment.
Think of no entry as directionally not defined vs not allowed to enter.
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### Author:  [@TonyG-UK](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/TonyG-UK)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/12 "2012-02-07T14:17:54Z")
> [@dmcconachie](#):
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> > [@leo\_lau](#):
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> > An other way I can think of is to allow us to choose what type of vehicle we use and add no car line, bus only, no heavy vehicle, etc. I remember there is a thread somewhere to discuss this.
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> It’s in the roadmap. Vehicle type in the nearer term, routing according to type probably further out!
Here’s my idea of how this should work:
- The client should have multiple vehicle profiles, with type/limits/icon user definable
- For each vehicle profile the client should average the journey time against ETA, and then scale the ETA accordingly, so that the ETA becomes more accurate over time, taking into account the driving style and vehicle performance.
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### Author:  [@jsimo01](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/jsimo01)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/13 "2012-11-18T20:03:39Z")
Was anything ever decided for this?
I’ve recently begun updating some errors in town, one of them being an incorrectly used bus route, I assumed setting it to “Service Road” with “-5 (no entry)” might prevent someone being routed incorrectly?
If there is a preferred method I can quite easily go and correct it.
Thanks,
-J
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### Author:  [@dknight212](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/dknight212)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/14 "2012-11-18T20:06:52Z")
Is this a section which is only ever used by buses?
Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2
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### Author:  [@jsimo01](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/jsimo01)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/15 "2012-11-18T20:12:17Z")
Yes, it’s closed to other traffic, about 30m or so for one segment. My concern was it bypasses a junction and appeared as part of a one-way system, hence it was likely to be routed over.
I also named it “Bus Ln”.
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### Author:  [@dknight212](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/dknight212)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/16 "2012-11-18T20:14:44Z")
Without seeing it on the map my prejudice would be to delete it altogether. But context might lead me to another conclusion.
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### Author:  [@jsimo01](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/jsimo01)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/17 "2012-11-18T20:29:06Z")
This is the first one:
[https://world.waze.com/editor/?lon=1.72814&lat=52.62061&zoom=8&layers=BFTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFT](https://world.waze.com/editor/?lon=1.72814&lat=52.62061&zoom=8&layers=BFTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFT)
This is another:
[https://world.waze.com/editor/?lon=1.729&lat=52.6076&zoom=7&layers=BFTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFT](https://world.waze.com/editor/?lon=1.729&lat=52.6076&zoom=7&layers=BFTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFT)
I don’t think deleting them is a good idea, but that is a personal preference.
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### Author:  [@Timbones](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/Timbones)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/18 "2012-11-18T20:31:45Z")
I’d suggest making it a Private Road, at least. This would have a very high routing penalty. Disallowing turns into the segment and making the direction ‘unknown’ is also recommended.
via mobile
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### Author:  [@jsimo01](https://www.waze.com/discuss/u/jsimo01)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://www.waze.com/discuss/t/bus-lanes-and-motorcycles/122148/19 "2012-11-18T20:36:38Z")
Ok, will make sure I do that.
Thanks