can someone please explain why this road has been duplicated?
A few months ago Currie St got duplicated in real life. You can’t turn into any driveways from the road side of the road any more, which means that directions to car-parks and businesses always get it wrong. Roads that used to cross from one side to another no longer do, and while this particular problem can be resolved with junction control, there’s no way (that I can tell) of saying “Two-way road, but you can’t get access to the other side”.
From https://www.waze.com/wiki/Best_map_editing_practice
Some formal guidelines -
A road should be split when:
GPS tracks show a clearly definable and continuous gap (blank area) between the color-by-azimuth arrows at the 100m zoom level.
U-turns are required to properly make turns that are blocked by a median.
It is an Interstate Highway (USA) or other Limited Access Highway using the "Freeway" road type.
Every morning I try to travel to the south side of Currie St, but my journey doesn’t finish until I’ve travelled past, turned north at Light Square, gone around the loop section and back along - completely a long U-turn. I tried to see some way of indicating that people can’t turn right any more (because of a median strip) or especially get into any driveways or the like, but found that the “Formal Guidelines” were that a road should be split in this situation.
I’m happy to undo all the changes that were made, and make sure that all the roads coming onto Currie/Grenfell have restricted right-turns (including Gray St, which is restricted from 7am-7pm), but I would also like to know how to address the fact that a U-turn is required to reach driveways that are blocked by a physical median strip.
https://www.waze.com/wiki/How_to_label_and_name_roads_(Australia)#Dual_Carriageways is very interesting. Based on that, many roads that are currently duplicated shouldn’t be, because they are less than 15m across. This would include some freeways even.
So… The “formal guidelines” should be ignored?
https://www.waze.com/wiki/Best_map_editing_practice
All this (single carriageway road which think you can drive over a concrete barrier or through trees) results in Waze failing to direct me to my house and my work, which I feel defeats the entire point of the app - to provide correct directions, maintained by the people that drive on the roads.
It is an interesting question as to whether Waze (or any navigation app for that matter) should be designed to get you to the door on complex roads. Even if it didn’t have a solid median but just a double white line that would also restrict you from turning into your carpark/driveway but I don’t believe there is any intention to suggest splitting the road in that situation? So I am not sure what the official answer will be for your question.
I would just add that if the double lane remains you should “bow tie” intersections such as Gray St and Gawler Pl to stop Waze directing illegal U-turns.
Cheers,
Gav…
I’m not sure I care enough. The best answer is for Waze to make a Divided Rd status and let people say whether it’s a physical barrier, line markings, or whatever.
Ok. I’ll try marking a few tiny private road sections (or whatever category looks best) and seeing how that goes.
How do I encourage Waze to recognise U-turns as viable options in general? If I navigate from Commercial Rd in Port Adelaide to Huron Gve in West Lakes, it should send me through a U-turn at on the divided Frederick Rd at the Wright St corner, but it doesn’t - not in any of the route options. U-turns are allowed there (there’s a tiny green arrow when zoomed in enough), but it’s what everyone who needs to go down Windermere Ave does every time they’re going south down Frederick Rd. I’m not going to split the road, but considering that the “divided road” issue is something I face at both ends of my daily commute, you can probably appreciate that it feels like a major issue…
I’ll try to fix up Currie/Grenfell today - removing the sections I inserted, but still making sure it knows that turning right is not an option (which no one else had seemed to do in all the time Currie St has disallowed those turns).
I can’t change the roads into Currie St at West Tce, because they’re Level3 locked. I posted in the Chat bit to see if one of the two L4 editors online could fix it. I was about to post here…
Interesting you made a trip there - because I found most of it wasn’t right the other day when I made the changes.
Another change I was going to make today was to remove the name of the road between the two roundabouts at Dequetteville Rd at https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=-34.9276&lon=138.6242&layers=1668&segments=234405484&env=row. This morning I needed to drive through the roundabouts from Wakefield Rd to Kensington Rd, and it was directing me to turn onto D’ville Rd - which might be technical valid, but isn’t helpful when you’re actually following the path to either Kensington Rd or Fullarton Rd. I understand having no name on that stretch would make it direct properly…? But again, it’s L3 locked, so I can’t remove the road name on that bit. Similar situation this morning when I was heading north and turning right (east) onto Port Rd at https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=-34.91894&lon=138.57922&layers=1668&segments=101046436&env=row. It told me I was turning onto George, which only goes left (west). I’ve just removed the name of the road at that bit, which is really just inside the big junction. Hopefully that’s valid, and I haven’t just done the wrong thing.
I can’t see how to raise a Map Issue from within the Map Editor, but hopefully you can fix up the Currie St / West Tce junction for me.
I’ve put four parking-lot roads in, which you’ll see along Currie & Grenfell. Hopefully it’ll let people mark it as their destination when that’s where they’re going (especially the big car-park on the north side of Grenfell, which you have to approach from the proper side or you’re somewhat stuck).
Thanks for sorting out the West Tce corner. Looking forward to the tiles being republished so that I can set my work car-park correctly (near Elizabeth St on the south side of Currie).
The southern segment would affect people too, who travel from somewhere other than D’ville Rd, and need to turn onto Wakefield St. They’ll think they’re taking the wrong turning.
ahh i c. i am now “helicopter editors” that is a new one. why dont people just say who messed up. it happened in the qld forum and they usually ment me. god people prance around with their words.