Here is a rough mockup of the basic OS colours, needs work as the road borders are too dark and ramps are still green. Forest landmarks also need de-conflicting with the green for major highway. 
For the record I think I will end up preferring a ‘Classic’ Google maps colour scheme as I’m not a fan of the pink that OS uses for Non PRN A roads (but their colours are chosen to make maps readable by some colour blind users).
Hi,
No one has popped up the suggestion that one thing missing from the map is a couple of extra road types! They will be needed at some point the more users Waze gets including different types of Waze user.
What is consistently said over and over in editing style is that tts should, for the most part, match what drivers would see and expect when driving. We are missing several other map features from Waze for this such as junctions and traffic lights. We are, as Dave has pointed out, missing a schema that accurately reflects what drivers see out of the windscreen (when some of them actually bother to look out of the screen!).
I must admit that I am neither for nor against the change with only one proviso: The data HAS to be consistent and “repeatably” found in more than one source. This really is a central government task and should never have been devolved to LA’s. Too many opportunities for things to be twisted.
Des. . . 
Ho,
While I’m generally for the change to PRN, it’s a no brainier decision for this tiny disconnected part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
For a start it would give consistency with my comrades over the border and solve the red/yellow border crossings. I’m pretty sure Ireland’s editors would agree, we really should have more collaboration with them.
Secondly it would allow me to ‘join up’ many of the towns splattered about where trunk roads stop at either side (why this is the case I have no idea) seeing as to make better sense of routing they are already incorrectly coloured (go on flame me now and get it over with)
Thirdly, it looks better and doesn’t offend my sense of aesthetic.
Fourth and finally, I vote for Sky Bacon every time 
Any way some might like to have a quick read through the following https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/315783/road-classification-guidance.pdf
Pip
Level 5 Area Manager - North of Ireland
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YAY - I helped :lol:
There was talk of new colour schemes for colour blind people so these may be similar or adaptable, but as it will be an user installed ‘editor’ specific scheme you are producing that means not very much
Pip
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…or we need to agree on one single source, and disregard all others.
“A man with one clock knows what time it is; a man with two clocks is never sure.”
And what zoom level(s) of that source
Just have to disregard the zoom levels where primary routes are not shown.
Speaking of zoom, there is one effect that all drivers will see: at a certain zoom level in the client, the map only shows major highways and motorways. At the moment, many parts of the country look very empty. Upgrading all primary routes to major highway would add a lot more detail to the map, even with the default map colour scheme.
In an attempt to keep this horse running…
I reckon that we could have the entire network upgraded in a week or two, and then we can revisit those roads over a longer period to check and lock them as necessary. I worry that upgrading them gradually will look horrible on the map, and will unbalance the routing algorithms.
Count me in! I really can’t see it being a major headache to complete quickly, especially if we have the route lists compiled before starting work on the map itself. Also if the areas are divided up properly to AMs etc. then a week or two wouldn’t be an un-achievable goal.
One thing, though, each ‘road’ should be completed before moving to the next, that would stop a bit of the mess being created.
Pip
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I think this is a good idea.
Do you envisage any kind of ‘cascading’ of these upgrades? For example, if we find we update a lot of these PRN routes to ‘Major Highways’ do we then upgrade some of the other types? I imagine not but I thought it’d be worth asking the question.
It was suggested to me that we should upgrade all our A roads to Major Highway, and then all our B roads to Minor Highway and C roads to Primary Street. I think that might be taking it too far, to be honest, as that doesn’t really reflect how our A roads work.
Upgrading just the green PRN A roads seems like a more sensible approach.
Looks like it has been decided then doesn’t it?
To clarify…
We’d need examples of this (with signage etc) so this can be clarified without issue. I’d rather local AMs were left with this since most of us are capable and since we have less points should be the ones to do it.
Isn’t that the Waze way in the end…local editors for local roads, CMs/CAs for the gaps?
Let’s have no toe treading eh?
It’s not been decided yet. It’s still being discussed.
I agree that local AMs should be handling it if it gets rolled out, but what do points have to do with it?
I would prefer that we selected an online source that was clear and unambiguous, such as Ordnance Survey Maps. I’ve tried looking for green signs on street view, and found that sometimes it was practically impossible to determine when the primary status begins or ends.
If (and only if) we decide to go ahead with reclassifying the national road network, then we need editors who have at least regional edit permissions. We don’t want red roads stopping in the middle of nowhere because someone got to the limit of their edit area now do we?
Aren’t we already using Ordnance Survey for the current system?!
And that’s what you lot are for is for filling gaps. It has and always should be LOCAL Area Managers doing their own roads. If CM/CA help is needed then it’ll be requested. I don’t think anyone will appreciate you forcing changes on them and then taking away their ability to change it, regardless of any area limits.
There is an unlock/help request forum is there not?
For road classification? No, we currently use the Highways Agency map of Trunk roads for that.
Yes, there is.
eugh, you know what I meant…
Primary Streets were historically obtained from the yellow/orange roads on OS (at least that’s what I did…or started to). I dunno, but I stand by the fact that either way, it should be left to local AMs to make all changes. If there’s gaps then at the end of the week/two weeks, by all means go hammer and tongs at it.
What I’m saying is…
You(lot) are always telling me to take a step back and to calm down yet when the tables are turned, changes are proposed and implemented and nobody* has any idea why, or wonders why their area was changed.
Contact local AMs, tell them there’s a proposal in place, that they need to ensure their area is standardised within a week or two and go from there. That’s the democratic way and iirc part of your own Code of Conduct.
Yes, we will inform all AMs if there’s a change to how we classify roads, as we do for any big changes.
…and let THEM implement those changes? I’m not asking for a lot, but points (you lot and I have no need for them now), and experience are ** alot more valuable to everyone else. We want other editors to learn and encompass them into the community. This is a perfect opportunity!
edited to take the offensive word ‘hell’ out :roll: