Edited: name changed to reflect subject now about UK Quickstart page
The How to Label Cities section on Postal vs Actual Addresses lists, as an example, Bromley (Kent) which is in the LB Bromley. However, as that Bromley is the largest town of that name in the UK, the rules dictate that it should drop the (County) suffix and, on the map, we show it as “Bromley”.
Ditto Enfield, which the wiki refers to as Enfield (Middx), but which is only seen on the map as “Enfield”, although there is a set of streets with the city set to Enfield (Middlesex) just north-west of Gordon Hill on the map, and as an alt name on Myddleton Ave in Forty Hill.
The other example given in the wiki is Hornchurch, and Hornchurch and South Hornchurch, both in Essex, are the only Hornchurches in the UK, so don’t need a suffix, meaning we have a slightly misleading set of examples.
We do have a couple of good examples - Belmont in LB Harrow, and Belmont in LB Sutton. The Sutton version is correctly shown on the map as Belmont (Surrey). The Barnet version is shown as Belmont (London) where it should be Belmont (Middx) according to the Gazetteer. There are quite a few other Belmonts around the country, and I have no idea which could claim to be the largest.
As Belmont is a good example of the Postal vs Actual Addresses scenario, can I suggest that we drop the use of Bromley, Enfield and Hornchurch, and amend the wiki to use the Belmont examples.
LB = London Borough. That section of the wiki highlighted that the issue was common around London where postal addresses use the counties of Middlesex, Essex, Kent and so on. I presume there are similar examples around Birmingham, Manchester and other conurbations where new local authority boundaries were drawn without postal addresses changing.
Hi all…
For the parts of Hornchurch I can edit (edge of my area) I’ve already dropped (Essex) suffix along with nearby Romford… Rainham keeps its suffix because of rainham in Kent…
If people aren’t expressing their opposition to my updating the wiki, I’ll do so over the next couple of days. It’ll give me an excuse to get away from the family for a few hours
I can’t see a way of making it a draft page which could then be reviewed by the CMs before publication, so it’s there, warts and all. If there is a way of producing a draft which I can make available for review, please let me know.
I’d be grateful for feedback, as I’d like to suggest some changes to the UK Quickstart - Basics that every editor should know section to try and make it clear to new editors that they’re generally not starting on a map that’s never been touched. Where they are, naming roads and so on, fine, but when they’re proposing to make changes in city suburbs because they know their area well, so do others, and they need to make use of the forum and PMs to communicate with the previous editors and discuss their proposed changes.
There have been two instances recently where I’ve had to PM new editors about some of the changes they’ve made. I’ve tried to be polite and non-critical, but they’ve changed the map and undone things that I and others have done for good reasons, so their changes have had to be undone. The new editors both took exception to this, considered it overly-critical and bullying by more experienced editors, and have apparently taken their keyboards and left. This was not a result I expected or intended, and if we’ve lost two editors who could have been very useful, I’m sorry for that. If the wiki can push communication between editors, perhaps we can avoid such conflicts again.
If you want to make a draft, you can just make a new page. To do this in the Wiki, simply navigate to a page name that does not exist; the Wiki will then ask you if you want to create the page. (That’s what I did with the page to monitor cleanup in Southwark).
If you want a draft for editing an existing page, I guess you could copy the contents to your new page, then make your changes there. If your changes meet with approval, you could then make the same changes to the “real” page, and then delete your draft page.
Or, of course, Wiki pages have an edit history (and don’t we all wish WME did :x ). If you make changes on the “real” page and people don’t like them, you can undo them.
As per Iain’s suggestion, I’ve created a new page with my proposed update to the UK Quickstart page. When we’re happy that it meets the need, I’ll copy the text into the UK Quickstart page and delete this one.
Probably a moot point, but, in the bit that EVERY editor SHOULD know the every segment is connected by 1 or 2 nodes bit might need a little * for reminding people that every segment should have 2 nodes even if it doesn’t have 2 junctions. While this is great for getting loads of points quickly in an area it would be nice if people terminated sections when they add them.
I’ve added an extra bullet to the Creating New Roads section to remind people to make sure they terminate a cul-de-sac with a node, not a loop or roundabout. Hope that addresses your point.
I’ve copied the new material and changes to the live wiki page now. It was done in two edits - the first one inserting the Precautions section and the bullet in Creating New Roads about cul-de-sacs; the second edit was to replace the guidance to the global Unlock Request forum with one to the UK Unlock Request forum.
Can anyone tell me how to delete the draft page I created? I don’t want to leave it there as an orphan
I thought you could delete a page you had created, but apparently not. Only a sysop can do that.
You could always clear it out and rename it to something more individual (e.g. “UK_drafts_woodvale”) and save it for future drafts? Or maybe one of the UK CMs has the necessary permissions to delete it.
