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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby weeezer14 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:47 am

jasonh300 wrote:The thing is, the IGN went in and painstakingly edited those driveways, rather than just deleting them.


In their defense (and I don't do that often!), the driveway segments may have been edited indirectly by creating the roundabout. If I move a node to correct one segment, all attached segments get updated with me as the last editor even if I didn't do anything specific to them.

They were still wrong to create a roundabout in the first place though.

Yes you should check anything you touch, but since you can theoretically drive from coast to coast from any point, you have to stop somewhere!
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Re: Re: IGN mistakes

Postby bgodette » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:59 am

cfreema wrote:are we still reporting these errors? since when is a culdesac a roundabout, and since when are driveways "streets"

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i know we aren't this dumb. this was edited in oct of this year. is it safe to say this exact areal was here in oct, 2 months ago? i can go to any area in the u.s. see this areal and get the edit right. do the ign editors work blind, with no areal. plus with another map reference, i can get the right city name, the right street name, and see that, yep... those are driveways. am i alone here?
Wasn't there just recently a discussion about using roundabouts for large circular/ovoid culdesacs? Granted the examples under discussion had central islands. Also do we have any idea what this looked like before?

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Re: Re: IGN mistakes

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:04 pm

bgodette wrote:Wasn't there just recently a discussion about using roundabouts for large circular/ovoid culdesacs?

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13253
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Re: Re: IGN mistakes

Postby cfreema » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:32 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
bgodette wrote:Wasn't there just recently a discussion about using roundabouts for large circular/ovoid culdesacs?

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13253


yes i did find that when i searched for cul de sac in the forums and all i got from that is that ign editor made a mistake here. EVERYONE on that post decided in a case like THIS one it should end there with no roundabout. the wiki was no help on this one either. i saw the cul de sac issue earlier in this thread as well. they both showed up here. but that is why i posted this AFTER i read them and reread the editor manual and best editing practice. i also read on this thread that we MIGHT not be reporting ign mistakes anymore. and yes i remember now that the driveways were edited during the roundabout and not by the ign editor. and i remember "hearing" that driveways should not be on the map(with few exceptions these not meeting those requirements). and even you good ol' alan yelled at someone for leaving a road unknown like that..... and ign are supposed to know better?(it was a ramp someone needed fixing because they didn't have permission to connect it to the road and you said he needed to name it first.) and then there is this, is this WORTH reporting? and yes the rest of prince george's county in maryland is still basemap admin created like this with lots of offsets from poor basemaps. have a look around if you dare.

Upper Marlboro, MD
these are not 1way in Bowie, MD
Capitol Heights, MD a nice stroll through the Virginia Backwoods.

*edit waze is useless in p.g. county. i have been editing for 17 days now i have almost 15000 map edits, i use the forum and wiki search boxes, i have almost 3000 miles driven, and almost 6 miles of cookie eating. i promise you guys i am one of the good guys. i am even trying to get the Maryland Wiki up and going and the ams in maryland together to tackle this difficult state.
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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby cfreema » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:37 pm

since no one answered my question(we can report them here is not an answer), are we really still reporting issues. i have an obvious issue and this time i checked around and the other segments did not cause this edit issue. other edits like these will cause MAJOR routing issues. i can understand if they did multiple segments in this large area, but no, these are the only 2 segments edited by this editor. the other segment, just Northwest, has the same turn restriction error. i will leave this section until sat. the 10th then fix them. they are supposed to know better. god forbid, one of us am's do this, alan would be on us like flies on poo. :D
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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby CBenson » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:50 pm

I am reporting the IGN errors that I come across. I fix the error, if I can, at the time I sumbit the report.
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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby cfreema » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:52 pm

CBenson wrote:I am reporting the IGN errors that I come across. I fix the error, if I can, at the time I sumbit the report.


that is why i was wondering. if i fix the error the report is a waste of time

gettingthere wrote:Suggestion:

* Report it
* Monitor after a few days
* If not fixed, fix it yourself since this error is obviously affecting routing and the Waze experience


gettingthere wrote:In the past we have seen Waze staff (Perlin comes to mind) fixing these eventually. I suppose it comes down to what is more important - bringing IGN mistakes to Waze's attention or fixing the problem quickly so that Waze is functioning properly for the Wazers that are driving in the error of the issue.

i don't thing there is a hardrive in the world with enough memory to handle all the screenshots we need to take to report these errors. now with the 2 week window before updates go live, this might work. but i have this nervous twitch that comes up when i see an error like this. i just want to fix, fix, fix. especially after driving a route on southern and eastern ave in east washington d.c. it directed me onto every side street i crossed, then recalc when i didn't and directed me onto the next, then recalc when i didn't..... waze is not useable in prince george's county. now i admit i will make a mistake or miss something, but it is usually because i am fixing basemap issues on large suburban communities. not a single edit in the middle of a 2 way street.
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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby CBenson » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:02 pm

I screen shoot them all and send them off. When I have reported errors where there has been a lock I couldn't undo or the error has been outside of my edit area, I have never seen the error corrected by the IGN team. Others have reported that IGN team or other level(6) editors have addressed reported errors - I have just never seen it happen.
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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby cfreema » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:03 pm

mr Benson, i'm glad you're here to help but is there a reason you left this split extended past southern ave? this is one of the common MAJOR issues in p.g. county and it makes for confusing tts. i prefer the 2 way all the way to southern ave and then split penn ave only after southern in p.g. county.

p.s. don't worry i will fix it and i am NOT giving you grief and saying you did ANYTHING AT ALL wrong.
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Re: IGN mistakes

Postby jasonh300 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:11 pm

I think the point of putting the screen capture in the report is so that you can go in and fix the problem, but they'll still be able to see what the problem was. If you want to further document it, drop the permalink and screen capture in this thread. Maybe the IGN editors will come in here and see them and learn from them.
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