Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clients

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:30 pm

This has been reported in a few places around the forums. There's been some kind of bug propagating over the past couple months where "N" is not pronounced "north" after certain words — "Pkwy" and "Expy", for example, and I think perhaps in "Cesar Chavez N" as well.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:17 pm

CBenson wrote:I had thought that "St." at the beginning of a name was voiced as "Saint." But this segment is currently spoken as "Street Stephens Church Road" for me.

Possibly because of the period? We have "St Claude Ave" here and it's always said "Saint", at least as far as I know. I go there relatively often.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:29 am

This is a perfect candidate for leaving the first ramp segment unnamed. That way your first instruction will be "exit right" to whichever second ramp you're going to, then the second instruction will be "stay to the" whichever is appropriate.

This setup is discussed in the Junction Style Guide, under Highway/Freeway Junctions, Ramp to Ramp Splits, Naming.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:13 am

Do you have a permalink to this? Separate signs is often a sign (pun not intended :? ) that the first segment should be unnamed and the second group of segments' names allowed to carry through to the first as well.

Most of the time, an exit will have only one sign, which may have a number of shields and cities. The rule for multiple signs in one instruction was drafted to parallel the behavior of one sign in one instruction. Consistency is important for those users who navigate by either highway numbers or city names—they'll expect to hear those parts in the same place each time.

I understand where you're coming from, though. I'd like to see this specific junction to assess whether leaving the first segment unnamed is a potential solution. I prefer to use it wherever practicable when there are two or more signs for the same exit, especially where those signs might give you a head start on knowing the better lane to be in.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS)

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:09 am

dbraughlr wrote:There are a few exits/wayfinders that I've come across more than once that are interrupted by the next instruction. I'll have to pin a map issue next time I hear one. I know that another announcement starts immediately after "to I-80 Bus E / SR-99 S / Reno / Fresno". (Disorganized to follow an unreasonable rule rather than read off the BGSs separately from left to right. The two signs are 'biz' I-80 E to Reno and SR-99 S to Fresno. "SR-99 S Reno" makes no sense and is a wasted instruction.)

You read left to right, top to bottom. Line one, then line two. 80 Business and SR 99, to Reno and Fresno. Maybe "SR-99 S Reno" doesn't make sense, but neither does "Reno Fresno". The slash is a separator. Go this way if you need to get to any of the following: I-80 Bus E, SR-99 S, Reno, or Fresno. Route names are more important to GPS navigation than city names, so they're read first.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:06 pm

Thortok2000 wrote:Essentially, the standard is for the type of road to be fully given, and THEN the number. Is it a 'forest service' or is it a 'forest service road'?

It's like the difference between saying 'state highway 291' and 'state 291'.

Well, maybe so, but down here and up where I visit we call them "L A One" and "Emm Twenty-Five", respectively ;)
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Re: TTS and shield for FS-

Postby sketch » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:16 am

davielde wrote:So...close...
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Haha, well, of course business routes and spurs are often going to have the same number.

dbraughlr wrote:It seems to me that on I-70 W before Clear Spring, MD, that there is a disambiguation sign clarifying that the exit is for MD-68 and to remain on I-70 to get to I-68 / National Freeway.

I-68 is newer freeway (thanks to the late Sen Byrd). The MD-68 number greatly predates the creation of I-68.

There's a similar situation where LA-59 is about 20 miles from I-59 along I-12. There's a sign at the LA-59 exit saying "TO I-59" with an arrow pointing ahead.

But that's for people who aren't using GPS navigation. You're gonna know which road to take based on when Waze gives the instruction.
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Re: TTS and shield for FS-

Postby sketch » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:29 pm

dbraughlr wrote:Let's just suppose that someone is uninitiated, lost, and confused. What's the difference between "Turn right onto [unintelligible] road 123" and "Turn right onto [unintelligible] 123"?

For lack of a better expression, "This."

We've had a lot of discussion here on state route naming and abbreviation standards, and while a lot of it is good, some of the arguments (especially SR-/"state route" vs. State Hwy) aren't very convincing, I think. So everyone says "highway" instead of "route" in whatever state, I really don't think anyone's going to be very confused when Waze tells them to turn on "State Route 526" when they think of it as "Highway 526". There's a sign with some shape and the number "526" on it. Unless that state's DOT is particularly sadistic, there aren't going to be three roads with the same number at that intersection.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:18 pm

bgodette wrote:
qwaletee wrote:That page needs serious copyediting.
Go right ahead, and be sure to submit it to a new page or sandbox so others can review your work.

It's not copyediting that page needs, it's a full rewrite, and maybe just a removal of that first section. Those are not the rules, at least in the US, and they don't belong on a country-nonspecific page. (They are, indeed, also pretty difficult to understand.)
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby sketch » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:41 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:In reviewing this page on Abbreviations and acronyms the first section seems out of place in the flow. I propose that we move it after the standard abbreviations section. However since the standard section is so long, I will include a note in that section pointing people to the "non-standard" section if they don't see what they are looking for.

Yeah, hang on, when did that first section get there, and what's all this ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 business? Certainly this (not abbreviating any prefixes, even directional prefixes, if I'm reading it correctly) isn't the rule in the United States.
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