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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:16 pm

CBenson wrote:Sure. I'm assuming its not just TIGER data, but an approximation of other map data sorces as well. So the waze developers saw fit to include this data in the waze database. Its not like they included all the data in the TIGER database. It seems that simply saying non-routeable segments are not useful and deleting them is contrary to some initial waze decision. I'm willing to do this if the data are causing problems. But I'm not going to second guess the developers decision just because I don't see how the data fit into the mission of waze.


The TIGER (or any other initial source) data was only a starting point (over 2 years ago now). It's very likely that things have changes in the minds of Waze since then.

As it stands now, there are no plans to enable a pedestrian mode in Waze. So the best recommendation now is to delete non-drivable road types if there is no purpose for them to be on the map for commuters driving a vehicle. If they are needed to stay for some other function (such as to avoid jams on adjoining roads for people who are using Waze out of scope from it's intended function - trains, bicycles, etc) - keep them mapped and be sure they are not junctioned to the road network.

Sorry, but I feel that it is silly to leave mapped elements on the map that are serving no purpose for commuters driving a vehicle.

Are you also leaving roads in your area that are not even valid, don't exist, don't go anywhere just because they were imported from TIGER? Why?
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:07 pm

CBenson wrote:Because I don't feel qualified to delete valid information that does not cause any problems. All things being equal (or unknown) the more data the better.


So do you not add new roads that are not part of the initial TIGER data? We are editors. We are updating the maps. It's our decision on what needs to be done in regards to updating the maps. You are 'qualified' to make the call.

With all of this said, do what you think is best for the area you are working.
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:47 pm

Really, there is no valid reason to have a true, don't route me onto this road 'no entrance'. (to clarify, I am referring to no-entrance, do not enter, no routing permitted - which does not and has never existed in Waze.)

* If the road can be driven in one direction or another, the proper direction should be set.
* If the 'road' is a non-drivable road type does it really belong on the Waze map for commuters driven vehicle types?
* If the non-drivable 'road' really needs to be on the map and should not be routed on by Waze it shouldn't need to be marked as 'no entrance' in any case. Waze should be fixed not to route commuters driving vehicles onto non-drivable road types.
* In regards to construction, several alternatives have been suggested in in this thread. You don't need a 'no entrance' setting for construction.
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Re: Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:16 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:I'm glad what they wrote matches what they told us before and what's documented.


Of course the million dollar question - when?
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:53 pm

The point I am trying to make is if Waze fixed/improved the following things, there would be no need for 'no entrance':

* Routing an inappropriate short-cut through Private Roads.
* Routing an inappropriate short-cut through Parking Lots.
* Making sure all non-drivable road types can't be used for routing, never.

Harling has it right - we should not have to continue to come up with hacks to get Waze to route properly. These things need to be resolved by Waze in the routing server code.
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:55 pm

CBenson wrote:But will they destroy turn restrictions like parking lot roads do now in the future? ;)


Right. Waze - please - Private Roads need to be a routable road type that respect turn restrictions.
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:20 pm

foxitrot wrote:Routing through Private Roads should mainly respect the "privacy" aspect. The editors have no other tool to achieve this.


Absolutely correct. So we need to get Waze to change how Private Roads work to meet the needs of the users of their product.

Again, the main issue at hand is Waze should not route people through areas of Private Roads as a shortcut to another valid route. Really, the requirements are as simple as this.
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:18 am

RallyChris wrote:But if we talking about changing functionality, let's rollout the temporary closure portal. Allow roads to be left unedited, with their current stats (speeds, directionality, turn usage, etc.) in place and put a waze generated closed report, that is done in a way that effects routing.


To add a suggestion - and do this in a way where the data can be available to the routing server and client immediately vs. waiting for a map tile update. Waze staff could use this also when working with local TV station affiliates to be able to close roads for high profile projects (think Carmageddon and the recent SF Bay Bridge closure).
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:21 pm

CBenson wrote:While that would work, shouldn't you be able to address your own reported map issues with becoming an area manager?


Assuming you submitted the Map Issue from the Waze application vs. Live Map and that the process that is assigning editing permissions is working correctly...

Or that the issue is not with closing the Map Issue / Update Request itself but not being able to make the actual edits to fix the problem if the map elements are locked.
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Re: New Waze Map Editor - Official Feedback Thread

Postby gettingthere » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:07 pm

Simple workaround here....

* Select one segment
* Change the directionality
* Then move on to the next segment
* Save when done

And don't forget to update the turn restrictions at each intersection ;)

Really, how often are we changing long sections or road with many segments to one-way or from one direction one-way to the other direction?
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