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Re: Jolly editors

Postby anthogna » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:57 am

What's that saying? "You can never go home"? Well, not between 8pm and 6am at least. Not as long as our Jolly Editor has anything to say about it...

So I'm fielding a UR and get a rather odd response:

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Immediately I think "trying to get home, you were routed onto a road that doesn't exist. ooookey." I go over to where the address is and, lo and behold, no non-existent roads to be found nearby. So I plug the address into LiveMap and pick an origin nearby the UR. After cranking longer than usual, LiveMap eventually coughs up a route:

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Which shows that, despite the fact that there are clearly roads leading directly to the destination, Waze is making a "best effort" route.

Well, this of course means there must be a turn restriction somewhere. I go checking... nope... nope... no... wait. There's a segment restriction hidden in part of the road leading into the development. I didn't think to grab a screenshot of it, but it was pretty obviously Jolly.

20:00-06:00 daily, all vehicles: "Entry only to residents and welcomed guests"


Yes, someone (presumably another resident of the complex) had coded what is probably a residential community guideline into the map.

I shook my head as I removed the restriction. Driver should be able to go home now.
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby anthogna » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:17 pm

Interesting background into the restrictions, I can see how this also grinds down to what is essentially a bug. I figured it was "Jolly" more because the editor in question was an L1 that edited for a hot minute (probably specifically to push that time-based plug into his complex,) poked around the forums, and then disappeared. At first, I actually thought it was very subtle vandalism. I seriously doubt this editor had any knowledge whatsoever (or cared about) the correct use of the segment restrictions (whether actual or originally intended).

If we shoot for the center, let's call them a "newbie editor that unknowingly demonstrated a bug while trying to get a good night's sleep."
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby anthogna » Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:37 pm

davielde wrote:He was trying to solve a missing road report, and he didn't miss much in the process.

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*cough*
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Re: Jolly editors

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Re: Jolly editors

Postby banished » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:05 pm

Fredo-p wrote:Jumping around, looking for a CM, I ran into this. Please, don't let this be just me........But did someone actually spell something with PLR's? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby bgodette » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:35 am

jasonh300 wrote:I don't really see it as overmapped. They are drivable roads. It's different from a parking lot. It's basically a gated community...for dead people and their guests.
Without transportation access just how do you expect them to get the vote out every election? :lol:
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby bgodette » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:22 pm

Alan out getting lunch for the week.
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby bgodette » Thu May 01, 2014 6:12 am

sketch wrote:
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Oh, man. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.
Wonder when someone will draw one around Manhattan and label it "Super Max Prison".
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby bgodette » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:34 pm

sketch wrote:Because Waze changed something recently making restrictions more robust – it won't route through a restricted turn to get to a destination, instead choosing another nearby segment where it's legal to go, at least if there is such a segment nearby. I experienced this when the parking lot road for a hotel was there, but with all turns into it restricted, so Waze brought me to the nearby parking lot road behind and downhill from the hotel. As far as I can tell, this changed a couple months ago.
I'm not sure anything changed since the introduction of TBR. Remember they initially said "works like Private" which we took to mean that there were routing penalties associated with use, then there was some mentions of it working like disconnects. Later we got direct confirmation from an unfiltered source that TBRs worked like a disconnection, as if the segment or turn didn't exist. This later information agrees with the above behavior IF the "works like disconnection" for TBSR is evaluated for exiting the segment. There's an old discussion about PLR/Private penalties for why the evaluation is on exit, and code reuse/re-purposing leads to TBSR getting the same evaluation point.

Basically there's an edge case where terminal route behavior isn't correct, and acknowledge as not being correct, for TBSR cases when the destination is on the restricted segment, but works as designed if the destination is beyond the restricted segment.
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Re: Jolly editors

Postby bgodette » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:08 pm

sketch wrote:Let me put it this way – something definitely changed rather recently with the interaction between restrictions and destination road selection. It used to be that Waze would force itself through a restriction if it knew your destination to be on a particular segment. Now, Waze will choose another nearby segment.

Restrictions are the same, it's what destination-road matching does with restrictions that's changed (or, really, that it does something at all).
Easy to check. We know what routing used to do with hard set restricted turns, and we know how PLR/Pvt behave, and we're assuming a TBR behaves the same way.
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