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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby bgodette » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:02 am

When we get the next NA tile update I'll have some more answers on automatic processes vs segments and turn restrictions.

The pending test segments involve freshly created segments (new IDs). The only thing done to them was setting Country/State/City/Name, direction to Unknown, and junctioning to cross streets without touching any turn restrictions.

The expected results are: Direction and Speed will get automatically updated by drive analysis. This has been tested several times and does happen, and there's nothing wrong with it and is actually useful functionality if used correctly.

What's being tested: Do untouched turn restrictions from editor created segments get updated by the automatic processes (ie they're soft), or are they hard restrictions. Based on separate experimentation with the side-effect of QW turning segments with soft restrictions orange (updating them), I expect turns from these segments to automatically open from drive analysis as well.
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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby bgodette » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:59 pm

My test vs fresh locked "Unknown" direction segments went live with the last tile update, but I've only had a chance to drive across them once.

My prior testing of direction updating on a very busy minor highway segment would not update from Unknown to one-way or one-way to two-way, so there appears to be a number of drives limit. Further testing vs low traffic and newly created confirms that automatic direction updating happens, but all tests were performed vs unlocked segments. The current test is checking vs locked status.
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Waze is still changing direction on editor based on drives.

Postby Bigbear3764 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:41 am

Do you think that waze had a problem with a tile while updating, so it goes back and finds an older one to up load?

I have seen some roads that I swore I updated the geometry of, then I find them askew again.


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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby Brshk1 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:59 am

I am pretty sure that roads in Waze have their own life. I have seen turns that are enabled where it is clear that they shouldn't, with me as the last editor. I make lots of mistakes, but some of them are too strange to admit.

And after 9 months, it is very likely that locked segments get unlocked automatically. Not sure if this is a feature or a result of gps tracks from other roads crossing at different levels.
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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby CBenson » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:03 pm

gerben wrote:I have seen it happen in the Cartouche era. Since WME, I have not seen this happen. I purposedly unlocked a street near my home half a year ago, and have waited since then for it to change to a one-way. It does not happen, even though I have travelled it at least once a day, always in the same direction.

Same here. Only had this happen in the Cartouche era. I have tried test this since. But I have the encouraging problem that there enough wazers around that I can't find a two-way segment that only I drive anymore.
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Waze is still changing direction on editor based on drives.

Postby fvwazing » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:33 pm

harling wrote:So the question is, under what conditions does Waze currently auto-adjust turn restrictions, versus flagging them for review?


It would be best if they were FIRST flagged and then, if no human intervention is triggered, LATER auto-adjusted. Later should be in the magnitude of weeks.
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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby gerben » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:05 am

jasonh300 wrote:There was never a time that Waze would downgrade a two-way to a one-way.


Yes, there was! But is has been a long time since I last saw it happen... One of the staff members (nir?) explained that it was no longer possible for segments that were edited in WME.
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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby gerben » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:04 pm

I have seen it happen in the Cartouche era. Since WME, I have not seen this happen. I purposedly unlocked a street near my home half a year ago, and have waited since then for it to change to a one-way. It does not happen, even though I have travelled it at least once a day, always in the same direction.

Last month I set i one-way against my drives, to find out if it will switch back to two way by itself. Still waiting for it to go live :(.
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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby harling » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:15 pm

jasonh300 wrote:There's no way to see who the last editor of turn restrictions are.

Very unfortunately.
However, if the proper procedure isn't followed for setting the turn restrictions, drivers making illegal turns can cause a restricted turn to automatically become allowed.

I get those automated "The route goes through a turn which is marked as not allowed" reports often. 75% of them appear to be new roads that were connected to existing roads, and not all turn restrictions were examined; 5% of them appear to involve only basemapped roads (edited at epoch=0); the other 20% are due to time-based restrictions.)

So the question is, under what conditions does Waze currently auto-adjust turn restrictions, versus flagging them for review?
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Re: Waze is still changing direction on editor based on driv

Postby jasonh300 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:59 am

There was never a time that Waze would downgrade a two-way to a one-way.

It could make a unknown into a one-way and a one-way into a two-way though. Are you sure you didn't mark it Unknown, rather than two-way?
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