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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby chunkmonkey » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:03 am

Would be nice if you could leave a message with a solved (to explain how) or not identified (to get more info).
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Re: Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby HandofMadness » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:42 am

chunkmonkey wrote:Well it seems this is a mixed bag on this issue. In this case I restricted the turn even though its allowed 21 hours a day. My reasoning being that it's one block off a HWY, and there is a safer 24hr left hand turn with a turn lane 2 blocks up.

My next question is, should I just mark this as solved any time UR error pops there saying this turn should be aloud? or what is the best way to handle this now?

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My experience is that won't happen very often, usually its just system generated errors. The most likely problem will be other editors seeing the system generated error and "fixing" the turn by enabling it.

In LA we put a small landmark over the junction with no name but fill in notes in the description field. It helps, but you still get a lot of new editors with the landmark layer off who turn it back on.

I've started locking segmemts after disallowing the turn.
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby chunkmonkey » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:16 pm

Excellent idea I will add a tiny one so its not a eye sore but at least adds a note as to why I did this, to other edits that are not in a mad rush for points and are actually trying to fix things for the sake of the maps guidance.

It would sure be nice if this was high on the list of Waze's upcoming features, time restricted turns, and HOV lanes, both of which Vancouver has tons of and those two features could make Waze a much more complete turn by turn navigation option. I would have put more of my time on those two items, than face book integration personally . But then again, they need users to make the system work and facebook is another way to get noticed. I also don't know how Waze internals work, turn by turn and HOV could be a complete redesign of there structure to make that happen, but it is needed to be a premium nav service.
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby harling » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:51 pm

It has just been brought to my attention that the Best Practices document is still reversed, advocating that "the side of caution" is to allow the turn. In other words, it still reads that it is better for a Wazer driving in rush hour traffic to be directed to take a turn that is illegal, than to leave the turn restricted the rest of the day when it can be taken.

Around here, there are intersections where one driver trying to make such a turn (typically a left turn across oncoming traffic) will result in traffic pile-ups and possibly accidents, rendering this recommendation borderline suicidal. I thought we resolved that it should have been put back to the way it read earlier; i.e., that "the side of caution" was to restrict such a turn?
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby CBenson » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:09 pm

At this point, I would advocate the simplest rule. Restricting the turn seems to me to be the simplest.

I'm curious what people would do here:
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby harling » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:54 pm

CBenson wrote:At this point, I would advocate the simplest rule. Restricting the turn seems to me to be the simplest.

The Best Practices page still reads that these turns should be allowed. If there are no objections to changing it back, I will do so.

FWIW, the FAQ also makes a brief mention of how to handle time-based turn restrictions. Perhaps we should start linking from the FAQ to the relevant sections of the BP, for more detail and/or the reasoning behind it.
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby jasonh300 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:56 pm

harling wrote:
CBenson wrote:At this point, I would advocate the simplest rule. Restricting the turn seems to me to be the simplest.

The Best Practices page still reads that these turns should be allowed. If there are no objections to changing it back, I will do so.

FWIW, the FAQ also makes a brief mention of how to handle time-based turn restrictions. Perhaps we should start linking from the FAQ to the relevant sections of the BP, for more detail and/or the reasoning behind it.


I thought we had worded it so that if the turn is restricted the majority of the time (6 am to 7 pm), it should be marked restricted. And if the turn is only restricted for a couple of hours (8-9 am, 5-6 pm), it should be allowed.

Personally, I think they should be all restricted so that Waze never tells someone to make an illegal turn.
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby therubinator » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:02 pm

jasonh300 wrote:Personally, I think they should be all restricted so that Waze never tells someone to make an illegal turn.


FWIW, that would be my preference too.
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby CBenson » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:11 pm

therubinator wrote:
jasonh300 wrote:Personally, I think they should be all restricted so that Waze never tells someone to make an illegal turn.


FWIW, that would be my preference too.

I have been converted to agree with this. I agree because it is the most simple rule.

My previous position was that people should follow the signs (and commuters can ask for alternative routes) when waze routes though a time restricted turn. Waze provides more information to the user if it is routing through a time restricted turn rather than avoiding it. However, that information is only useful to the user if the user knows how the turn is set. Currently, the situation is too chaotic with different editors making different judgement calls. Thus, I now agree that all time restricted turns should be restricted.
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Re: Time based turn restrictions

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:16 am

Whatever we do we can create a template with the instructions on a single page.

Go to this Wiki page on Your Rank and Points. Inside when you edit the page you will find a template entry "{{Points collecting}}". The entry {{TEMPLATE}} enables a single page to have a single description, images, headings, etc. that can be embedded into other pages as necessary with only a single source page to update. Saves a bunch of time and ensures 100% consistency. We just need to limit the details of the template to what is common to all places it would be used and then deviations on the topic/entry would be added before or after the template inline on the final page showing the template.

The template can be found under Template:Points collecting.

If someone wants to go to the Wiki and enter "Template:Time-based Turn Details" (or something like that) in the search box you will see a red link at the top of the page. Hit that red link and you will create the template. Just enter the text as if you are on a regular page, but generally you don't have headings on a template to prevent problems with the template is used in different heading levels. Then on the pages that talk about turn restrictions just add {{Time-based Turn Details}} in the body of the page you are updating.
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