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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby tonestertm » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:32 am

Is there even a way to communicate with editors who don't appear to frequent the forum? I've spent a couple of hours cleaning up things like fully labeled parking lot roads (and I mean FULLY labeled; major mess in the client...), landmarked ATMs that are about 8 feet by 15 feet --and more-- and just ran into an intersection that was recently mis-modified (IMHO) all by the same user. He/she/it doesn't have any posts here in any forum and I wonder if there's a way to encourage (them) to look over the best editing practices, etc.

Yes, I'm pretty n00b, but I've spent a ton of time reading Wikis, forums and trying to get the lay of the land before doing much actual work on the map ( except for, maybe, my first couple of edits, which I promptly returned and corrected.... :oops: )

The intro video is all well and good, but it seems like it would be good to somehow put a little more emphasis on going through the wikis and at least acknowledging there's a forum here before people can start messing with the map? Speaking from personal experience here, I wouldn't have minded. And if you're not willing to take the time to learn the right way(s) to do things, should you really be messing with things that potentially impact many, many other users?
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby rottielover » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:33 pm

I've run into a "higher level" editor that disabled PM's. I ran into this because they have locked segments that were causing wazer's to submit problem reports.

So getting back to the original etiquette question... I usually send a PM requesting a response within 24 hours for level's 3 and lower and 48 hours for levels 4 and higher. (simply because I'm a 3 and can deal with the "lower" stuff.).

If I don't hear back in the time frame I either fix it myself, or I submit an unlock request in the forum, usually stating why I need it unlocked. Yes there is more "administrative overhead" (more work on my part to keep track), however, I find that a notepad doc on my desktop works for the little stuff just fine. For bigger issues I update my To-Do page in the wiki for my area (major issues).

Hope that helps! (IMHO, a simple button in the left side of the map editor that shows up when a segment has been edited by someone withing the last XX days or something. That button could be configured to allow you to type a short note, and in the background sends the user responsible a PM with your note, a permalink to the segment, etc.)
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby PalmettoC » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:55 pm

I hope they do add the communication functionality to the system. In the old map editor you could see who had submitted the report, so that made it much easier to handle reports and communications. I miss that
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby PalmettoC » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:00 am

I hate it when I spent a lot of time working on areas about a year ago, and now I go back and look at them and see where I'm not even the creator, and these were roads I physically drove that weren't on the map (including some that are secured by locked gates that I know these people don't have access to)! Or they have gone and made things roads when they are things like a test track for the police academy (pretty sure the public isn't going to get to access that). I know they are going in deleting my work, and then just redoing it to get the points. :evil:
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby Kuhlkatz » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:56 pm

Send the PM, but you might as well clean up while in the area.
By the time you cleaned up 40 other similar areas, chances are good that your first PM will still be rotting in your outbox.
At least when the user gets it 10 years from now, he/she would know why you cleaned up the parking lot where that new Casino is now located.

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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby jondrush » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:37 am

I guess it depends on how cranky I am feeling that day. I also tend to segregate those who pay attention to detail. Those folks, I hope are redeemable.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby jasonh300 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:31 pm

When did the usa_ users become able to edit the maps? I always thought that these were people who didn't have accounts and were just using the Waze client.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby HandofMadness » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:03 am

Another way I've reached out to people before is to google their username. I'd sent them multiple PMs with no response (sitting in my out box), found them on twitter and sent them a tweet. That got them to read the messages and fix (some) their mistakes.

As far as I know though, that person has never touched the editor since. Never responded to my PMs or tweet either.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby Dennis_Halmstad » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:13 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:In general, though, yes, a direct contact would be appropriate etiquette. I look forward to being able to do this within the editor and not via PM in the forums.

Is this a feature that will be implemented?
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby Daknife » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:30 pm

CBenson wrote:
Kuhlkatz wrote:Send the PM, but you might as well clean up while in the area.

Agreed, I'm advocating the communication.
Kuhlkatz wrote:By the time you cleaned up 40 other similar areas, chances are good that your first PM will still be rotting in your outbox.
At least when the user gets it 10 years from now, he/she would know why you cleaned up the parking lot where that new Casino is now located.

My experience is that the majority of my PMs are acknowledged.

My experience is just the opposite. To the point where this thread has reminded me I've been getting lax on such notifications, as the near total lack of responses (or changes in behavior) has lead to me often not bothering. When I know I should keep bothering.

I like that anyone can edit, but wish they'd at least have to log into the forums at least once to activate the ability, just so they know it's even there. That and it seems like many users, are using throw-away email addy's that they never check.
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