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Re: Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby cherianchris » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:41 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:That depends on what's being deleted, sometimes. If I find one parking lot all strung out on massive doses of everyaisle, but no other evidence of that editor doing the same all around, I'll think it a 1-off. However, if I find several instances, or lots of red roads, I will compose a PM.

In general, though, yes, a direct contact would be appropriate etiquette. I look forward to being able to do this within the editor and not via PM in the forums.

, I agree with Alan. Whenever I come across a particular user maintaining a pattern of erroneous editing, then I point him to the Map Editing Wiki.

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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby CBenson » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:16 am

tonestertm wrote:Is there even a way to communicate with editors who don't appear to frequent the forum?

When you sign up for waze, a forum account is created that is linked to the email provide during the sign up. The default settings on the forum is to send you an email to alert you that a PM has been sent.
Thus, I have send PM to editors and received response stating that hadn't previously known the forums existed.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby CBenson » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:13 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Oh, and if I send you a PM to let you know of something I plan on deleting, such as parking lot spam, and then, after you read my PM you continue to do the same thing, I will delete it all again in the future without sending a PM. I'll likely contact Waze to send you an official notice, though.

That seems perfectly reasonable. I've been known to send a PM saying I have deleted something and explaining why with a link to the wiki. Fortunately I've never dealt with the persistent incalcitrant editor yet. Maybe that's why I'm pro PM.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby CBenson » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:47 pm

Kuhlkatz wrote:Send the PM, but you might as well clean up while in the area.

Agreed, I'm advocating the communication.
Kuhlkatz wrote:By the time you cleaned up 40 other similar areas, chances are good that your first PM will still be rotting in your outbox.
At least when the user gets it 10 years from now, he/she would know why you cleaned up the parking lot where that new Casino is now located.

My experience is that the majority of my PMs are acknowledged.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby CBenson » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:28 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:If I find one parking lot all strung out on massive doses of everyaisle, but no other evidence of that editor doing the same all around, I'll think it a 1-off.

Well, I guess I would simply urge editors to go ahead and send the PM even in this circumstance. As the map gets more complete and there are more and more users, adding parking lot lanes and landmarks are going to be precisely the types of edits that I would expect to see from those new to waze (especially as there are more and more locks on the existing roads). I really think the better experience is to get the PM from the experienced editor that has noticed your parking lot work (even if it explains why it is unnecessary and detrimental) rather than simply see the work disappear with no trace.

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:In general, though, yes, a direct contact would be appropriate etiquette. I look forward to being able to do this within the editor and not via PM in the forums.

That and map annotations would both be godsends.
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Editing Etiquette

Postby CBenson » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:34 pm

Are there any guidelines for editing etiquette?
A current peeve of mine is the deletion of other peoples work without any communication. Even if the edits are wrong, it seems to me that basic etiquette would require that you attempt to contact someone before deleting their work. Deletion is a particular problem because there may no way for the other editor to know who made the deletions.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby AndyPoms » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:11 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Email address verification should be mandatory, IMO.
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Editing Etiquette

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:06 pm

PalmettoC wrote:I hope they do add the communication functionality to the system. In the old map editor you could see who had submitted the report, so that made it much easier to handle reports and communications. I miss that

The new privacy policy which goes into effect on Dec 20 is going to help with this I believe, too. It's not just a technical issue.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:45 pm

jasonh300 wrote:When did the usa_ users become able to edit the maps? I always thought that these were people who didn't have accounts and were just using the Waze client.

Facebook "waze account" creation in the app.
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Re: Editing Etiquette

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:38 pm

CBenson wrote:
tonestertm wrote:Is there even a way to communicate with editors who don't appear to frequent the forum?

When you sign up for waze, a forum account is created that is linked to the email provide during the sign up. The default settings on the forum is to send you an email to alert you that a PM has been sent.
Thus, I have send PM to editors and received response stating that hadn't previously known the forums existed.

Unfortunately, I am not sure this is same with the facebook-only signups, but given the number of users with world_ and usa_ accounts who are showing up in the forums under same, it appears this generic account is getting created in the forums. And 2nd unfortunately, you don't have to provide a valid email address to Waze. <- I have bitched about that for years now. It is unfathomable to me that a "social" system of any kind is allowing users on with no valid way to contact them. Email address verification should be mandatory, IMO. You're signing up on your smartyphone with access to your email right there.
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