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Paving by Air

Postby TruckOttr » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:37 am

I noticed what I thought was a "Nazca" line earlier today. Following the trace though, I realized that a Wazer had decided to fly from one municipal airport to another with the paving mode on. From taxiing onto the runway, to take off, cross country, landing at another airport, taxiing and parking the plane, they had paved the entire route. There were dropoffs where network coverage was spotty, but overall, I could see the entire trip.

Needless to say, I deleted them all and sent a PM to the user.

Someone got a lot of points. :(
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby jemay » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:53 am

I already reported somebody else that has done the same thing. In fact this person was doing it to get points. He thought it was the best / fastest way to get points. So if you see this make sure you report it!!!!
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Paving by Air

Postby banished » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:00 am

I often wonder how new users climb up the ranks so quickly. I guess flying in paving mode could do it. It isn't the points that bothers me as much as the user not gaining any real editing experience through points not legitimately earned. An inexperienced user with a lot of points is dangerous.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby TruckOttr » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:03 am

Yep. This was definitely just to get points. It wasn't an "oops I left Waze on by accident."

And yes, this user is a "high scorer".
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:17 am

TruckOttr wrote:Yep. This was definitely just to get points. It wasn't an "oops I left Waze on by accident."

And yes, this user is a "high scorer".

You can either open a ticket or let a Waze Champ know.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby harling » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:51 am

You'd think Waze would look at the vehicle speed, and award negative points for paving above a certain (undisclosed) threshold, say 100mph.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:04 am

harling wrote:You'd think Waze would look at the vehicle speed, and award negative points for paving above a certain (undisclosed) threshold, say 100mph.

I've/We've suggested a combination of altitude and speed as criteria for discarding this data.

And when done repeatedly, disable the user's account. :)
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby jondrush » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:23 am

There was a local airport with several Waze traces from the runway and surrounding. Per someone's brilliant suggestion, I renamed the runways "DO NOT WAZE IN AN AIRPLANE!"
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby TruckOttr » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:39 am

And for the rest of the story as a famous commentator once used to say.

Here's the reply I got from the air paver. I deleted the user's name.

One point that I do agree with him. There are more than a few people gaming the system for points only. No, I don't believe mapcat is one of them!

Steve

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Sent at: 11 Dec 2012 15:08
From: XXXXXX
To: TruckOttr

Hi TruckOttr,

Paving from an aircraft is not prohibited. I call your attention to Waze's Terms of Service, and the End User License Agreement.

In the Terms of Use:

"USING THE SERVICE

You may use the Service solely for private and personal purposes. You must not use the Service commercially. For example, you may not offer to third parties a service of your own that uses the Service; you may not resell the Service, offer it for rent or lease, offer it to the public via communication or integrate it within a service of your own, without the prior written consent of Waze. You must not copy, print, save or otherwise use the data from the Site or the Service's database. This clause does not limit the use of the database as intended by the Software and for the purposes of private and personal use of the Service. When using the Service or the Site you may not engage in scraping, data mining, harvesting, screen scraping, data aggregating, and indexing. You agree that you will not use any robot, spider, scraper or other automated means to access the Site or the Service’s database for any purpose without the express written permission of Waze. The Software may not be used in any way not expressly permitted by these Terms."

Nowhere in the Terms of Use does it say airborne use is not allowed. If you want to be legally precise, it doesn't say it can be used in an automobile, either.

Continuing on to the Waze End User License Agreement:

..."4. You hereby confirm that you own all exclusive rights at (sic) any data and content (the Content) that you may provide to the Service and may assign in license such rights. You keep all title and rights to the Content, but you grant Waze, Inc. (the Company) a worldwide, free, non-exclusive, irrevocable, sublicensable, transferable and perpetual license to use, copy, distribute, create derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform and exploit in any other manner the Content. Subject to the aforementioned, the Company keeps the title and all rights to the Service's database which you may use for non-commercial and private purposes only."

I have license to create data for the Service, and I also have license to manipulate it afterwards; i.e., delete it. I have been deleting airborne data after creation, and the points are awarded. They created the social aspect of the Waze 'game' by assigning points; everyone out there is 'gaming' the system to increase their points. For instance, you tell me how Dave, aka 'mapcat', can accumulate 3.8 million points with simple editing unless he is running an automated script on his desktop to do data manipulation.

I am prepared to argue legally that airborne data creation is not prohibited in the terms, conditions, and use agreements for the Service, and consequently, manipulation of such data afterwards through deletion, is also not a prohibited activity and not injurious to the Service.

You can call me at any time to discuss this. XXX-XXX-XXXX

I was deleting all airborne segments after creation once the points posted to the system. However, on Sunday night some nimrod in SoCal got all snippy about this and ratted on me to the folks in Israel, and they yanked my editing privileges. While I argue with those nincompoops about what is, and isn't allowed under their terms of use, this creates a Christmas present for you: you get to delete my recent segments. Poof! More points for you. And that, my friend, is what this is all about. None of us are doing map editing for altruistic purposes. It is a game, for the points.

Thanks for the note,

XXXX
Last edited by TruckOttr on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:47 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:46 am

TruckOttr wrote:And for the rest of the story as a famous commentator once used to say.

Here's the reply I got from the air paver. I deleted the user's name...


All that needs to get forwarded on to Ori (username: Unholy)...
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