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Re: Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby Yoyo-42 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:09 am

JohnnyLaw66 wrote:As a new editor, I'd actually appreciate a PM (with a permalink) if something I edited needs to be corrected. That way I can see what I did wrong.


Seconded, there's a lot of experience and custom here which isn't really in the guides.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby doctorkb » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:33 pm

After spazinbc contacted me with this issue, I started a thread over in the BC area of the forums:
https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=350&t=42043

Please join this discussion there as it seems to be regional.

A few points I want to bring up here:
1. a posted sign means one thing: they posted a sign. There is no guarantee of a camera at an intersection simply because a sign is posted.

2. Waze requires a "camera" reported for each direction of travel for which photos are taken. There may be one physical camera, taking photos of multiple directions.

3. I'd rather err on the safe side -- it's better to have a camera reported for the direction and NOT get a ticket / run a red light, than it is to NOT have one reported, and subsequently get a ticket.

That said -- if there is NO camera at all at an intersection, there shouldn't be any approved for that intersection.

I've gone through the Lower Mainland and have deleted most of the bad reports and am now going through to approve the ones at ICBC named intersections... though I'm approving them for all directions of traffic (when there are four reported to work with) until we have confirmation that they only work in one or two directions of travel.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby PhantomSoul » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:00 pm

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In many US states, warning signs, typically like the one seen above - though exact wording can vary from state to state - for red light cameras must be posted ahead of the intersection to avoid problems with privacy concerns when prosecuting violations, though the signs are usually small and subtle and only a couple hundred feet (less than 100m) ahead of the intersection, where it is much too late to do anything about seeing one if you're speeding toward that intersection trying to beat that yellow light.

The tall antenna-like things often seen on traffic light structures that look like they have a camera on them are not red-light cameras. Like many on here have said, they try to identify the strobe patterns of emergency vehicles to give them a prompt green light for safer passage though the intersection.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby timl2k12 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:07 am

That is indeed a traffic control camera. We have them here in Tampa, Florida to. You can't catch red light runner from the front! How do you get their tag number? Although if they have tag numbers in the front in Canada, a simple camera is not going to do the trick catching red light runners. It takes a suite of sensors. If you look at the intersection for this link you gave above;
Heading north: http://goo.gl/maps/OVd2L
you can see the Red Light Camera is on a very tall pole mounted to the traffic light cross support.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby james8970 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:21 am

I agree that it is a traffic control camera as well.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby Mike-1323 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:13 am

Shorty-CM wrote:Think so? All the ones I've seen look like this.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZBLpI

edit - Also, if the camera you pointed out is the only style of camera that ICBC are using then he didn't even delete the correct cameras at that intersection, as that is watching in the southbound direction. *shrug*

edit - Sure looks like a camera to me. http://goo.gl/maps/kEBlI

That is a camera: a traffic control camera. They are used at intersections with smarter red light system to reduce unnecessary backups due to dumb light cycles. You can tell the difference from the fact that traffic control cameras tend to be near the lights themselves and look towards the the traffic waiting at the light. Red light cameras on the other had are placed away from the intersection looking towards the "box" beneath the lights. Also, red light cameras tend to be much larger as they also contain a powerful flash.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby ArlenBystander » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:10 am

Shorty-CM wrote:edit - Sure looks like a camera to me. http://goo.gl/maps/kEBlI


That is a camera but is it a red light camera?

It doesn't look like the traffic signal preemption sensors or Red Light cameras I'm familiar with but there could be regional differences in types of devices. Could it be a camera used either for signal timing or traffic monitoring by the municipality or news media? I found this page with traffic cameras of 70th & Oak.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby Shorty-CM » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:14 am

Think so? All the ones I've seen look like this.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZBLpI

edit - Also, if the camera you pointed out is the only style of camera that ICBC are using then he didn't even delete the correct cameras at that intersection, as that is watching in the southbound direction. *shrug*

edit - Sure looks like a camera to me. http://goo.gl/maps/kEBlI

jasonh300 wrote:The devices on top of the traffic light standards are not RLCs. They're light sensors that make the lights turn green emergency vehicles approach. They read a pattern in the flashing lights and change the light cycle.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby jasonh300 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:06 am

I agree in your links that there's a sign in each direction, and that may be enough to warrant the RLCs on the Waze map.

However, the only actual RLC I can see in the streetview imagery is this one: http://goo.gl/maps/JsbsI

Of course, I may be wrong because the streetview imagery is spotty around that intersection.

The devices on top of the traffic light standards are not RLCs. They're light sensors that make the lights turn green emergency vehicles approach. They read a pattern in the flashing lights and change the light cycle.
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Re: How to dispute or fix an approved edit?

Postby Shorty-CM » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:43 pm

Sorry, but I don't think Spazinbc's info is 100% correct, no matter how much he believes it is. He tried talking to me about it before, and when the first-hand information I gave him was something he didn't agree with, he obviously didn't like it. He seems to think that ICBC employees couldn't possibly have bad information in their heads, and they all know what they're talking about 100% of the time, which is itself a pretty good joke. It's a government corporation with government employees, which I think should be 'nuff said.

In the third link he lists, for example, the intersection of 70th Ave and Oak Street is the one he is referring to. There used to be, and should still be, four cameras listed for that intersection. Someone's deleted three of them for some reason, probably Spazinbc, heh. I know there are four cameras there, because I added them myself via the client, all four seperately on different occasions, when I was driving in all four directions at those different times. Not only does Google's Street View show all four cameras, but there are warning signs from all four directions before you get to that intersection stating that there are red light cameras there, and if I went to that intersection right now I could point out all four cameras, just as you see in Street View.

Heading north: http://goo.gl/maps/OVd2L
Facing north: http://goo.gl/maps/Cq4iw
Heading south: http://goo.gl/maps/OnQWo
Facing south: http://goo.gl/maps/tdXz2
Heading east: http://goo.gl/maps/dtrSC
Facing east: http://goo.gl/maps/Sz0M3
Heading west: http://goo.gl/maps/8EGT8
Facing west: http://goo.gl/maps/8EGT8

Are those cameras not cameras? Are those signs indicating cameras not signs indicating cameras?

edit - If I'm looking at the wrong things, by all means, please correct me.
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