Highway Off-Ramp Segment Question

[PhantomSoul]

I agree that bow ties look weird in the client, particularly if you have it set to auto-zoom and you stop for a red light. So I try to avoid them unless improper u-turn instructions start to become repeat problems in a particular junction.

[hmarian]

Thanks for the explanation.
The concept of bow ties intersection is now clear to me.

My question regarding the two examples are related to the road type between the two parallel Northbound and Southbound. They are both a T junction to a parallel road segment, but I'm still not clear if it suppose to be a street type segment or a ramp type segment.

Please try to address my question in your answer.

Thanks,
Hagay.

[CBenson]

If it is at a T-intersection, or if the crossroad is named the same on both sides of the split road, then there's no problem with naming the median segment the same as those segments.

Agreed, although if it as at one-way segment that ends at the T (as in the original examples), there's not much point to naming the segment either. The only time the segment name will be used in the original examples is in navigation instructions for the U-turns, if permitted.

[andrewkjs]

Since your question about the applicability of bow-ties is still up was the air, I thought I would take the time to confirm my own thoughts on that. I created some temporary example roads out in the sticks, so I could fiddle with turn restrictions and make useful screenshots without possibly messing up someone's hard work.

This was a good explanation that matches what I had in my head, but didn't have the time to put down into text and screenshots. Thanks for taking the time to put it together, I'm adding your post into my Waze best practices folder for future reference.

[Spil]

If it is at a T-intersection, or if the crossroad is named the same on both sides of the split road, then there's no problem with naming the median segment the same as those segments.

However, if the crossroad has different road names or city names on each side of the split road (for example, N. Main St. above the split and S. Main St. below the split), then you must leave the median segment as "No Name", so that the turn instructions will pick up the appropriate segment name from the next segment automatically.

[EECGeek]

Another question, if you're not using a bow tie, should the segment be named, while it will not be seen on the map, it seems redundant in the interest of wasted bytes (unless it is necessary for some reason). Or does the name of a segment have a bearing on file size and or routing or anything else?

Greg

[ottonomy]

It seemed to me that the early consensus in this thread was that example 2 was better for routing purposes. Obviously, if U-turns are specifically allowed on the minor highway there at the intersection of the ramp, then a small two-way section would be needed there.

Since your question about the applicability of bow-ties is still up was the air, I thought I would take the time to confirm my own thoughts on that. I created some temporary example roads out in the sticks, so I could fiddle with turn restrictions and make useful screenshots without possibly messing up someone's hard work.

As andrewkjs said, a bow-tie is not necessary at a T-junction for controlling U-turns.

The off-ramp segments have permission to make their turns onto the highway:

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The southbound segment of the highway can have a left turn restriction to prevent it from using the short ramp segment to make a U-turn, but if it's not a T-junction, and another street is inline with the ramp, then the southbound highway segment needs permission to turn left onto that street. The median segment has to allow a lefthand turn going north, because that is one of the allowed turns from the off-ramp. So now you have potential U-turn routing from the map, and no way to prohibit it without also limiting a legal left turn:

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Enter the mapcat bow-tie. With it in place, you can give the off-ramp segment and the highway segments all the turn permissions they need, but specifically restrict U-turns where applicable:

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Does this make sense?

[hmarian]

So what is the conclusion?
Using example 1 or example 2?

[HandofMadness]

Could someone explain the concept of bow ties

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[hmarian]

Could someone explain the concept of bow ties and how is it related to the question asked?

Any other thoughts so we could reach conclusion on this?

Thanks,
Hagay.