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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby jasonh300 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:10 am

I was just looking at things being nosy and saw an unnecessary geometry node and compulsively deleted it, so that lock shifted over to me.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby jasonh300 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:59 pm

Okay...to put a stop to this, I'm going to put a Level 5 lock on all of it. Let me know if any turn restrictions are wrong.

EDIT: As far as the UR goes, they probably either have a faulty GPS unit, or they don't have it mounted under the windshield, so they're not getting a good GPS fix, as you said. I eliminated the two entrances closest to the corner, since they really don't add any benefit to the parking lot. This may decrease the chance that they'll stray into the parking lot.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:16 pm

Those URs are probably from the same troll who kept deleting your Parking Lot roads. Unless there's something drastically different there IRL from what the aerials show, there's no way they're getting these errors unless they're using faulty equipment.

Grant Road is not in any way a candidate for splitting since it hardly has a median. You're working on the assumption that there's actually a problem with these URs. Was there a purple track in the UR showing them in the gas station? You could try splitting it, but if the troll leaving the URs is hell-bent on getting the parking lot roads removed, it's not going to fix anything.

If anything should be split, it should be El Camino Real with all those left turns across a median that can get pretty wide. However, there's no problem there that indicates that anything should be changed either.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:00 am

DaveHolzmann wrote:As for Phyllis Ave. split... mea culpa. That was a (brief) venture I took to try to go beyond the parking lot. It was accepted before I learned the guidelines for not splitting a road. (I had figured, since there was a serious barrier between the two lanes of traffic, it made sense to split it, and clarify where/why side streets/drives would/wouldn't be able to make certain turns. I had not read the Wiki about split roads, and had failed to consider the lack of accuracy of GPS tracking. At this point, it seems like it would be more work to un-split it. And, unless there are any URs that I made errors in allowed/disallowed turns, I wonder if it should be changed.

Hey Dave, thanks for jumping into the editing world. We can use more editors in the west bay so keep it up.

As for split roads, I went down the same path as you in my home town when I started editing. I have since learned some of the pros and cons of split roads and we have a pretty good summary in the Wiki (that I think you have now read). Since I cover this area as well, I often run into new editors who see split roads like this and assume that is the correct style especially if it was edited very recently. Many base map imports in 2009 for the US included split roads where we no longer recommend them, so it is easier to explain to people those roads just have not been converted to dual-lane segments. I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of returning your changes and the others on the other side of El Camino (from the base map import) so we don't confuse new users.

I noticed some turn restrictions on the main parking lot out to Grant Rd that I have not seen when I was there last, so I corrected them. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=8&lat ... s=70646117
If something has changed in that intersection not reflected on the latest map view please correct my error.

Keep up the great work.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:39 am

I also saw them in the parking lot. Most of them are because Dave actually set the traffic direction for the routes that are technically one direction. They all appear to be accurate inside the parking lot. I did not check all of them outside the parking lot.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:55 pm

DaveHolzmann wrote:The restrictions near the entrance/exit were ones I intentionally "added" - because I've found MOST of the time, even though those turns are technically allowed, the drivers who try to make them create traffic jams, either by physically blocking others or by scaring other drivers who aren't expecting them to jump out in front of them as they're just getting into the lot or trying to catch the signal out of the lot. I suppose you could say, they're restrictions the I think SHOULD be there.

Ah. That would explain it. Technically Waze is only focused on what is a legal turn or not. There are rare instances where we set a turn restriction on a legal turn and that is generally around freeway off ramps to on ramps. This stops the routing engine from thinking that is a bypass route when the freeway is jammed.

We have discussed adding the ability to have a turn restriction that supports just what you described. Unfortunately if we left your turn restrictions in that intersection you would see Update Requests from drivers that say it was not allowed. You also get Automated Updates from the system that sees people turning there against your restricted turn.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:28 pm

AndyPoms wrote:I'm really hoping for a PM/forum post from the user asking why it's locked and I'll refer them to this thread and to talk to you.

...and then SNAP...they will be caught in our trap. :twisted:

I did some basic work on your other lot https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat ... TTTTTTTTFT to the protected segments if you want to do some final touch up on it.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:58 pm

Dave, on the other lot NW of Grant I realized that when we don't completely fill in the parking lots, the cars will snap to the closest lane for the GPS. For that reason it is better to just leave all PLot lanes 2-way to prevent Waze from reporting directionality problems with the lanes. Most people do not try to follow the exact lanes we draw when they get to a parking lot. It is mainly to prevent the false traffic on the main roads and give the driver a basic idea of where to drive.

On the PLot SE of Grant/ECR I locked the driveways to the lot you just added to make it useless for our sniper to remove the inner lanes in that lot. All your additions are mostly fine and I was assuming you were going to add those in after me, so I left them for you.

Good catch on the Oak Ln exit. I did see the straight through direction was not possible, but I guess I only fixed the Oak > PLot direction and not the other.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:25 am

I agree with Jason's assessment and recommendation.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:09 pm

DaveHolzmann wrote:Of COURSE Waze will snap to the PLot road in that situation. It's significantly closer to the GPS tracks.

If the Waze driver is following a route, Waze will not snap from the current route unless the GPS track is a significant distance like 50 feet or more from the lane Waze last assumed. Case in point - the HOV lane down I-680 S from Sunol to Milpitas is currently set to not allow Waze to route drivers into that lane (mainly due to limits in additional controls we need). I have a qualified vehicle for that lane, so I use it all the time. If I have navigation on before I approach the start of that lane, Waze routes me in the standard lanes. When I reach the start of that HOV lane I move into it, but Waze still thinks I am in the standard lane. In fact I have to switch Waze off and back on and restart navigation before Waze will recognize I am actually in the HOV lane.

Now I generally only use Waze with navigation turned on, so I expect it could operate differently with navigation off for selection of lanes. However in those cases even if I am at an intersection with Waze on, if I don't have navigation on I am likely not paying that much attention to where Waze is placing me. Is it possible that the URs you are seeing are from the irritated user who does not think we should be mapping the PLot roads in the first place and he is just trying to disrupt your fun in Waze with these reports? :shock:
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