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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:42 am

I had noticed something similar in an area near me that had a wide multi-lane road with a single 2-way segment mapping it. The road in the neighborhood parallel to the main road seemed to be closer to my car according to the GPS. Periodically it would snap me to the adjacent road and then after I passed that area it went back.

I pulled the main road segments a bit closer to the adjacent road and I also pushed the neighborhood road a further away (still on the visible street though). That solved the erratic behavior. I assume the visual map was a bit off from the physical causing the problem.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby ottonomy » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:05 pm

DaveHolzmann wrote:Continuing to get URs for this area.

Many of them along the lines of today's "helpful" details: "Moronic editors" and "Street name wrong" (on a PLot road).


When I read this, particularly "Moronic editors", I instantly thought that this was your troll. This is not the usual thought process for Wazers who are not editors themselves. They don't typically use the word 'editor'. They say "Waze" this or "you" that, but seldom refer to editors. I would be highly suspicious of these URs, and just sit back and let the dust settle on your latest edits and locks for a couple of weeks at least, before changing anything radically. You may find that once a certain individual realizes that nothing is going to change, the URs will stop.

Also consider that even if it's not the troll, since you don't know who is submitting the URs, you can't be sure it's not one particular person with bad equipment, submitting URs over and over (jasonh300 made a lot of sense with his comments above). I would advise you to drive the area repeatedly yourself traveling in different lanes, and see if Waze ever snaps you into one of those PLot roads, while in a route, or otherwise. If it doesn't happen to you, it's probably not happening to many others. Splitting a main road can help suppress URs by bringing its halves more in line with GPS tracks (so that it's closer than a parking lot road is to where a Wazer is driving), but at the same time, it can also create a whole new set of URs (snapping parking lot drivers more readily onto the main road, because their tracks are closer to it). I would be really hesitant to consider splitting Grant Rd over all this. My experience has been that Waze only snaps me onto nearby roads when there is some kind of GPS anomaly, or an actual problem with a corrupt segment or junction. On these roads of yours, I don't see very much at all in the way of aberrant GPS tracks straying from the main stream, so I highly doubt that people are actually being snapped into your parking lots with regularity. Does this happen to you?
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby rottielover » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:52 pm

If you find a segment you created (your user in the created by), and it has been redone, then the last person to have touched it's username will be in the "updated by" field. Send them a PM here in the forums and ask if they are deleting your work, and if so why?

Professional panhandler landmark, seems... odd.
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Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:42 pm

I'm a rather new user, and have been enjoying using Waze for a couple of weeks. Been learning about editing, and thought I'd start with a mostly harmless area: a local shopping center and its parking lot.

I've now tried a few times to add in the parking lot roads (one time I made the mistake of adding in all the lanes, but the other times I've JUST added the main paths - entrance/exits, paths in front of stores, and the "back" roads that are commonly used and evidenced in the GPS tracks), but every time I add the roads, most, if not all of my work gets deleted. I've also tried adding some of the businesses - a bank, a couple of grocery stores, etc. - but those too have been deleted, or re-purposed.

The last time my work was re-purposed, one of the landmarks (I think it was the bank) was moved and changed to "Professional Panhandler"!

Questions:
Is there any way to tell if my work is being deleted by a prankster vs an experienced Wazer? (I'm content to concede to those who are trying to truly help the community, but would like to "win" the battle(s) over pranksters who are jokingly or not, vandalizing work. Or put another way, I want to contribute helpful edits, but am starting to get frustrated with doing and redoing the same thing, only to be deleted.)

What are considered best-practices for determining which Landmarks are appropriate? (I haven't found that (yet) in the Wiki.)

The area I've been working on (with the Panhandler - recently re-added) is: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... rks=598053

Thanks in advance for your help!

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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:47 pm

One more note:
In that permalink, the back roads and alternate entrances/exits have (once again) been deleted.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:16 am

Thank you all for your helpful input.

Per your comments, I've deleted the non-gas-station businesses. I'll look into correcting my gas station additions as I have time... to make sure I get them right.

As for Phyllis Ave. split... mea culpa. That was a (brief) venture I took to try to go beyond the parking lot. It was accepted before I learned the guidelines for not splitting a road. (I had figured, since there was a serious barrier between the two lanes of traffic, it made sense to split it, and clarify where/why side streets/drives would/wouldn't be able to make certain turns. I had not read the Wiki about split roads, and had failed to consider the lack of accuracy of GPS tracking. At this point, it seems like it would be more work to un-split it. And, unless there are any URs that I made errors in allowed/disallowed turns, I wonder if it should be changed.

Regarding the back-of-buildings parking lot roads... I'm thinking I'll try again to create the main ones. And also three of the entrances/exits... two to Phyllis Ave., and one to Pamela Dr. The other ones that lead to/from Grant Rd. would be problematic in that they would necessitate adding more (minor) parking lot roads/lanes which would likely create confusion.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:59 am

gettingthere wrote:I don't think anyone from Waze ever said not to map POI's. It was the Waze community's recommendation not to map POI's in the Waze map if your country has good POI data via the other search options in the client (Google, Bing, FourSquare, Yelp, etc.)

Here is why POI's should generally not be mapped in the Waze Map Editor:

* There is no ability to add POI details that show in the client with a search - phone number, address, etc.
* Since there is no ability to add these details it makes it difficult to determine which location you want to go to for common searches. Eg. if you search for McDonalds is it helpful to see the street address in the search results to help you determine which location you want to go to. Also very helpful to click on the phone number if you want to call to see if the POI is open, etc. The external providers POI data contains these details.
* If some editors are mapping some POI's, these POI's will show up in the default Waze search results even if they are hundreds or thousands of miles away. Eg, if someone adds a POI for McDonalds in Oregon and I am searching in San Diego my Waze client shows me the location in Oregon in the Waze results instead of showing one of the better options that shows relevant data.
* POI's that are added need to be maintained. Restaurants, stores, etc are always changing. If the POI is added and it changes, the data is wrong until someone finds and edits it. There are already great sources of this data that are being updated, why do we need yet another source of POI data?


THANK YOU! This was/is a very helpful description! It makes complete sense... at least to me.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:02 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Dave, post back if you want a CM to lock the segments.


If they're right, and complete-enough, it would be great to have them locked. But, as a noob, I'm concerned it may not be quite right. I'm still learning... and probably will be for quite some time.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:10 am

kentsmith9 wrote:Hey Dave, thanks for jumping into the editing world. We can use more editors in the west bay so keep it up.


My pleasure. I like learning new things. And I also enjoy being helpful. So contributing in this way is a double win for me.

kentsmith9 wrote:I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of returning your changes and the others on the other side of El Camino (from the base map import) so we don't confuse new users.


Don't mind AT ALL!

kentsmith9 wrote:I noticed some turn restrictions on the main parking lot out to Grant Rd that I have not seen when I was there last, so I corrected them. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=8&lat ... s=70646117
If something has changed in that intersection not reflected on the latest map view please correct my error.


The restrictions near the entrance/exit were ones I intentionally "added" - because I've found MOST of the time, even though those turns are technically allowed, the drivers who try to make them create traffic jams, either by physically blocking others or by scaring other drivers who aren't expecting them to jump out in front of them as they're just getting into the lot or trying to catch the signal out of the lot. I suppose you could say, they're restrictions the I think SHOULD be there.

kentsmith9 wrote:Keep up the great work.


Thanks again! I'll do my best to do at least good, if not great work.
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Re: Contribution frustrated in Mountain View, CA

Postby RoyalWoody » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:42 am

Thanks again, Kent, for your patient and helpful explanation.
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