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Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby Chris_CA » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:11 pm

Looking how this should be handled or is called out in the wiki somewhere.
Probably been discussed previously but...

Many places on the WAZE map have E,W,N,S in front of the street name even though it is not part of the street name. It is simply the address location of the street (east vs. west, north vs south).

When navigating, Waze tells you to turn onto north/south/east/west XXX street when there is nothing to indicate A street named this.

Example here - Academy Boulevard on Colorado Springs, CO.
https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat ... ts=8586615

There are no street signs labeled North Academy Blvd, nothing in Colorado Springs street department or planning commission or GIS maps or post office.
Nothing anywhere indicates the name is North (or south) Academy Boulevard.

Another example in downtown Salt Lake City.
https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... TTTTTTTTFT

There is no street named W South Temple St or S 300 W or W 100 S.
The names are simply South Temple St, 300 W, 100 S, BUT Waze tells user to turn left onto South 300 West and the only signs are for 300 West

Went to Utah this week and it was a small bit of confusion at first but simply had to to ignore part of what Waze was telling me to do.
Not very helpful if someone drive around looking for the street name Waze is calling out.
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:44 pm

I've found with the Colorado GIS maps that if the street has a direction as part of the street name, it never shows up on the GIS map.

N Academy Blvd most likely came from the TIGER basemap. I did a search for businesses along that strip and found the following:

Huhot, N Academy Blvd, http://www.huhot.com/Locations/Colorado ... ademy_Blvd
Mattress Firm, N Academy Blvd, http://www.mattressfirm.com/stores/colo ... rings.aspx
Sports Authority, N Academy Blvd, http://co.coloradosprings.sportsauthori ... s-131.html

That's apparently the official name of the street, even though it isn't signed. If the road signs don't have it, it's not really necessary to be on the map, however, if all the addresses on that street use N Academy Blvd, then it should probably be there to help people trying to find addresses without using navigation.

Same goes for Utah.

CBiz Accounting, South West Temple, http://www.cbiz.com/location.asp?locationID=126
Supersonic Car Wash, S West Temple, http://www.supersoniccarwash.com/locations/affiliates

It's odd that these aren't on the street signs since addresses usually start at 100 and run outwards from where the S and N streets meet. The only thing I can think of is that I didn't see a S Academy Drive, so maybe they decided that N wasn't necessary. And for West Temple, the only thing that seems to be on N West Temple, which is only a block long, is the LDS headquarters, which doesn't seem to have a street address at all.
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby Chris_CA » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:04 am

Just posting this topic for discussion...

With Academy Blvd (and the other streets I mentioned and zillions of others), N/S/E/W is part of the address but not part of the actual street name.
N/S/E/W helps to narrow/differentiate to an address. It is usually an adjective, not a noun but everyone uses it as part of the name.
HuHot is on Academy Blvd at 7790 north. It is not on North Academy Blvd at 7790.

My guess is this probably the easiest way to get the location (n/s/e/w) as part of an address.
If someone said to go to 7790 Academy Blvd, the first thing they would need to know is north or south...

I was initially a bit confused when Waze said "turn left on West 100 South" when the sign is (and all signs are) "100 South".
It did this everywhere else except for a few streets that were labeled "correctly" (Waze name matched street signs).

It's odd that these aren't on the street signs since addresses usually start at 100 and run outwards from where the S and N streets meet.

Because street signs are actual street names and sometimes with an address (such as 8800 west).
None/very, very few of the street signs in Colorado Springs, Ogden or SLC are labeled with N/S/E/W
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby bgodette » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:16 am

Chris_CA wrote:Example here - Academy Boulevard on Colorado Springs, CO.
https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat ... ts=8586615

There are no street signs labeled North Academy Blvd, nothing in Colorado Springs street department or planning commission or GIS maps or post office.
Nothing anywhere indicates the name is North (or south) Academy Boulevard.
CDOT GIS has it as N and S Academy Blvd in one source, but unmarked in another, TIGER likely has it as N & S.

It looks like all the new signage excludes this, as well as a significant amount of them not including block numbers (even more unhelpful), and a large proportion also dropping the Blvd. Nothing much can be done about a city being cheap on signage for local roads to save a few bucks.
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby gettingthere » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:52 am

Yes, sometimes the street signs don't say North Academy Ave or South Academy Ave.

The reason for this is due to the way the road network grew years ago. The street addresses start at 0 or 100 and increment in one direction. Then there is a need to extend the road in the other direction but they don't want to re-number every home and business. So they start up a 'new' road heading the other direction and make it North Academy Ave one direction and South Academy Ave in the other direction. Generally where they meet the addressing starts at 0 or 100 and increments heading away from the intersection.

So yes, generally these street names are valid.
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby Chris_CA » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:41 am

-> http://www.springsgov.com/Page.aspx?NavID=514
Academy is the street name. Not north or south. North/south is the addresses/location on the street.
Powers Blvd is 00 so generally, addresses are north/south based on this.

If the standard for Waze is to use n/s/e/w, even if it is not part of the street name, fine.
Is this documented anywhere?
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby bgodette » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:47 am

Chris_CA wrote:-> http://www.springsgov.com/Page.aspx?NavID=514
Academy is the street name. Not north or south. North/south is the addresses/location on the street.
Powers Blvd is 00 so generally, addresses are north/south based on this.
??? The linked PDF off that page clearly shows Academy being N/S.
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby Chris_CA » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:37 pm

bgodette wrote:??? The linked PDF off that page clearly shows Academy being N/S.

Okay.
Looking at West Point Road (in CS) why isn't there a W in the first column and the street name only Point?
Same as South Club, South Forty, South Park and a few others?

At http://dtdapps.coloradodot.info/Otis/Flex/MapView, it is listed as "Academy Bd".

Back to my original questions, is it documented somewhere (for Waze) how/when use modifiers in street names?
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby Chris_CA » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:09 pm

gettingthere wrote:The reason for this is due to the way the road network grew years ago. The street addresses start at 0 or 100 and increment in one direction. Then there is a need to extend the road in the other direction but they don't want to re-number every home and business. So they start up a 'new' road heading the other direction and make it North Academy Ave one direction and South Academy Ave in the other direction. Generally where they meet the addressing starts at 0 or 100 and increments heading away from the intersection.

So you are suggesting at some point, the road was named "Academy Blvd" and it was changed to "North Academy Blvd" and they also created a new street named "South Academy Blvd"?
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Re: Street names (E,W,N,S) when it is not part of name

Postby bgodette » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:20 pm

Chris_CA wrote:Looking at West Point Road (in CS) why isn't there a W in the first column and the street name only Point?
Same as South Club, South Forty, South Park and a few others?
Because they're all proper names?
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