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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby shlomie38 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:12 pm

So in the mean time, do you mark it as a turn permitted, or as a turn not permitted?
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby Mike-1323 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:35 am

kentsmith9 wrote:From what I heard at the US meetup in March, it appears to be the next big feature that will be added. It was not clear how long that would be though.

C'mon this is Waze . . . it'll be soon. :lol:
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby Mike-1323 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:23 pm

CBenson wrote:I think ambiguous is just the way it is. People do clearly handle the same situation differently, which is why there has been so much discussion. There is no good solution. Anything you do will produce bad results for someone. But, this should all be moot if we ever actually get the ability to address time restricted turns properly on the map.

I think a big part of the problem is the lack of understanding at the user level regarding time-restricted turns. The user gets a route that tries to take them an unexpected way, either avoiding a currently allowed turn or routing through a time-restricted turn. A UR gets generated and some editor who may or may not know the turn in question is time-restricted toggles it based on the UR. Even if the editor checking the UR knows the time restriction problem and has the turn set right the user who feels their problem hasn't been fixed may come into the editor and change it. This is one of those instances where communication with the author of a UR would be mildly useful. :roll:

I just hope that the time-based restrictions make it into WME and the routing server soon.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:25 am

From what I heard at the US meetup in March, it appears to be the next big feature that will be added. It was not clear how long that would be though.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:14 am

dctdye wrote:I'm sure there is a more appropriate place to discuss the FAQ wiki, but the question right after about wrong address locations needs to be updated soon since house numbers are now back online.

It is in process here.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:44 am

harling wrote:
    1. Turn-based restrictions are coming soon.
    2. Until then, consult an experienced editor.
    3. Failing that, read this guide and use your discretion.

harling, I made my post without noticing your last comment here.

I believe I have captured #1 and #3 in my update and have the FAQ match the BP. I did not add the comment about the consultation for a more experienced editor, but we can certainly do that. I think the FAQ may want to stick to the simpler verbage and maybe the BP recommends going to the forums for further guidance if there are questions.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:41 am

I'm glad this came up. In my investigation I found someone had created a parallel page to the best practices article in order to change the title to all leading caps. This is not the Wikipedia convention nor the convention we try to follow here. I transferred the changes that were made to the new page back to the original and relinked everything back to where it was before March 1. Now we have the history back on the 100+ changes that were made to this page over time and the couple of additional changes we made not noticing it had been moved.

What I found on the turn restrictions issue is that from a forum conversation some time ago (about October 2012) one editor made some changes to the FAQ trying to summarize the discussion. After that there were follow up conversations in February 2013 that lead to my creating the Time Restricted Turn template that now appears in the "best map editing practices" article. When I made that change, I forgot there was content in the FAQ, so tonight I made the FAQ more closely match the "best practices" content.

I believe both now reflect our consensus from the forum discussion in February 2013.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby jasonh300 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:14 pm

harling wrote:Upon review, I found that it was jasonh200 who added the original section to the BP document in May 2012, so the conversation that led up to it was more recent than I thought. (I did make several additions to the document myself as far back as late 2010, but obviously my contribution to the wording of this section took place in the forum, rather than in editing the document first-hand.)


I remember adding that. IIRC, there was discussion somewhere in the forums, and I believe you either posted that language into the forum, or PMed it to me and I added to the Wiki.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby jasonh300 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:10 am

dctdye wrote:
doctorkb wrote:The FAQ disagrees with the page it links to: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Best ... cted_Turns

-- the rule of thumb seems to be changed to restrict them.

Any objections to editing the FAQ to concur with the linked article?


I'm going to send a PM to kentsmith9 to take a look at this thread. He's the U.S. Wikimaster.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:55 pm

You can't. There's time-based restriction functionality in development, but it's going to be a while.

See the FAQ (link in my sig below), #26 for details.
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