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Turn Restrictions

Postby barrynof » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:41 pm

How do I edit a turn restriction where the community has made a law that you cannot turn right onto a street between the hours of 7:30 a.m. And 8:30 a.m.?
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:55 pm

You can't. There's time-based restriction functionality in development, but it's going to be a while.

See the FAQ (link in my sig below), #26 for details.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby shlomie38 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:12 pm

So in the mean time, do you mark it as a turn permitted, or as a turn not permitted?
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby CBenson » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:53 pm

The guidance in the FAQ that Jason cited is about as good as you're going to get. Do you have details of particular turn in mind?
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby doctorkb » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:41 pm

The FAQ disagrees with the page it links to: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Best ... cted_Turns

-- the rule of thumb seems to be changed to restrict them.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby dctdye » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:47 am

doctorkb wrote:The FAQ disagrees with the page it links to: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Best ... cted_Turns

-- the rule of thumb seems to be changed to restrict them.

Any objections to editing the FAQ to concur with the linked article?
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby jasonh300 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:10 am

dctdye wrote:
doctorkb wrote:The FAQ disagrees with the page it links to: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Best ... cted_Turns

-- the rule of thumb seems to be changed to restrict them.

Any objections to editing the FAQ to concur with the linked article?


I'm going to send a PM to kentsmith9 to take a look at this thread. He's the U.S. Wikimaster.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby harling » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:10 am

dctdye wrote:
doctorkb wrote:The FAQ disagrees with the page it links to: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Best ... cted_Turns

-- the rule of thumb seems to be changed to restrict them.

Any objections to editing the FAQ to concur with the linked article?

I don't think they disagree*; However, if the finer details of the FAQ entry are lost on someone looking for a quick answer (which I see as the purpose of the FAQ, whereas the Best Practices goes more into the reasoning behind the way we do things), it might need to be revised beyond the link to the BP document.

    * The "consider volume" clause is key, especially when turn restrictions are linked to rush hour and/or other periods of heavy traffic. (It would be much worse if Waze were to instruct an illegal turn in heavy traffic, possibly resulting in a traffic jam or accident, than if it were to forgo a legal turn when traffic is light.) "Every intersection is different and should be considered individually": this is one of those situations in which the AM needs to use his own discretion--guided, hopefully, by the cited considerations.

FWIW, the language in the FAQ document was introduced on 2 October 2012. I don't know what became of the lengthy revision history of the Best Practices document, but I know for a fact that its present language was introduced around 2011.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby doctorkb » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:25 am

harling wrote:
dctdye wrote:
doctorkb wrote:The FAQ disagrees with the page it links to: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Best ... cted_Turns

-- the rule of thumb seems to be changed to restrict them.

Any objections to editing the FAQ to concur with the linked article?

I don't think they disagree*; However, if the finer details of the FAQ entry are lost on someone looking for a quick answer (which I see as the purpose of the FAQ, whereas the Best Practices goes more into the reasoning behind the way we do things), it might need to be revised beyond the link to the BP document.

    * The "consider volume" clause is key, especially when turn restrictions are linked to rush hour and/or other periods of heavy traffic. (It would be much worse if Waze were to instruct an illegal turn in heavy traffic, possibly resulting in a traffic jam or accident, than if it were to forgo a legal turn when traffic is light.) "Every intersection is different and should be considered individually": this is one of those situations in which the AM needs to use his own discretion--guided, hopefully, by the cited considerations.

FWIW, the language in the FAQ document was introduced on 2 October 2012. I don't know what became of the lengthy revision history of the Best Practices document, but I know for a fact that its present language was introduced around 2011.


They totally disagree!

The FAQ implies that most time restrictions should be ignored (all the No-left-turn signs I know are for 2-3 hours during the rush hour), whereas the Best Practices document says that if there's any time that it's restricted, the turn should be disabled.

FWIW, the Best Practices changed in the last 3-4 months -- in November or December, it was similar to the FAQ, but it has since been updated to say "restrict" rather than "permit". And probably for the better.
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Re: Turn Restrictions

Postby dctdye » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:25 am

I disagree and think the FAQ and Article disagree :p

Article:
In a situation where a turn is illegal during certain times of the day (e.g. No Left Turn, 7-10 am, 3-7 pm, Weekdays), it's generally best to err on the side of caution and restrict the turn. This way, waze will never instruct a driver to make a turn when it is illegal (typically during rush-hour traffic, the worst-possible time to create driver confusion).
(Emphasis mine)

FAQ:
If the turns are allowed during the majority of a day or week, leave it open, but also consider volume and if most of the weekly traffic would be restricted from turning there, then set the turn as restricted.

While they say the same thing if you consider the time the turn is restricted to be "most of the weekly traffic" then they do agree, but I think that is a bit ambiguous even for an FAQ. My suggestion, if the article is still theoretically the standard at least, would be to simply paste the first paragraph (Waze currently has no provision [...]create driver confusion) as the FAQ answer and then link for the more detailed info.
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