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Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and options

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:54 pm

Mappers and drivers,

This discussion has come up before: Many large cities utilize Express Lanes which switch their directionality at different times of the day. There's a lot of on and off-ramps between express lanes and the 'real' freeways and city streets. And they are helpful for commuters, of course.

And express lanes are mapped in Waze.

However, because Waze has no current way to know when to use the express lanes properly, it is often routing users onto express lanes at inappropriate times. And then instructions from that point on, because the express lane is often so close that the GPS margin of error is wide enough to keep the car snapped to the express lane, are incorrect, confusing or perhaps dangerous.

So, what do we do about this? Here are some options:
  1. Keep them as-is and let drivers decide when to use it or not.
  2. Keep them in place, but mark them as no-entrance and restrict all turns such that Waze will not use them. This option allows us to re-enable the express lanes when Waze can properly support them without having to re-draw them
  3. Delete them and their ramps (exclusive ramps only, not shared ones). Rebuild it all when/if Waze can support them.
My vote would be for option #2. I lean toward #1, but not heavily enough. But the annoyance factor for new users being directed along the express lane at the wrong time of day is high. Therefore, I vote #2.

LAST Note: This discussion started in 2009 and at the time, krankyd recommended what is essentially #2 as well. Another thread to bring it to our attention again can't hurt, right?
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby gerben » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:56 am

In another thread about this, there was a 4th option:

- Mark them 2-way, but set their on-ramps as parking lot roads. This way, they should be ignored by the routing algorithm because of the high penalty on parking lot roads, but it is still possible to route from them if a wazer chooses this lane by himself (and the change from the normal lane is detected).
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby unwallflower » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:02 pm

gerben wrote:In another thread about this, there was a 4th option:

- Mark them 2-way, but set their on-ramps as parking lot roads. This way, they should be ignored by the routing algorithm because of the high penalty on parking lot roads, but it is still possible to route from them if a wazer chooses this lane by himself (and the change from the normal lane is detected).


This is what was suggested to me, and the practice I follow.
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:24 pm

unwallflower wrote:
gerben wrote:In another thread about this, there was a 4th option:

- Mark them 2-way, but set their on-ramps as parking lot roads. This way, they should be ignored by the routing algorithm because of the high penalty on parking lot roads, but it is still possible to route from them if a wazer chooses this lane by himself (and the change from the normal lane is detected).


This is what was suggested to me, and the practice I follow.

When Waze fixes the penalties for parking lot roads, I wonder how this will affect the express lane routing...?
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby unwallflower » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:28 pm

I'll have to come up with a different method then, I suppose. In the meantime they've been mapped like this for almost a year and I never even receive update requests complaining about how it's set up.
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:29 pm

unwallflower wrote:I'll have to come up with a different method then, I suppose. In the meantime they've been mapped like this for almost a year and I never even receive update requests complaining about how it's set up.

I need to do some adjusting...
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby chex90007 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:26 am

Anyone have a fix for this yet? My waze keeps routing me to the carpool (HOV) lane. :(
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby unwallflower » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:16 pm

chex90007 wrote:Anyone have a fix for this yet? My waze keeps routing me to the carpool (HOV) lane. :(


It's discussed above. Most of us map all on ramps to the HOV lanes as "parking lot" road types. This makes Waze avoid routing you to them.
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:48 pm

chex90007 wrote:Anyone have a fix for this yet? My waze keeps routing me to the carpool (HOV) lane. :(

What city/area are you in and express lane for which major highway/interstate?
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Re: Express/Time restricted Lanes: map them or not? and opti

Postby hvbeg » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:32 pm

I got routed to the I-90 express lanes in Seattle again yesterday...the annoying thing is, I selected an alternative route, but the GPS lost track of me for a minute or so, and when it recalculated, it sent me back to the express lane route.
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