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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby CBenson » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:27 am

Caradellino wrote:[therefore how would they get the information?
By the wazer reporting the road closed - that's the whole point. Sure waze can't just assume that a road is closed where there is no traffic. But no traffic and a road closed report would seem good enough to me. There really shouldn't be any problem with malicious (ignorant or otherwise erroneous) reports on high volume freeways, because its likely there will be wazers traversing the road.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby CBenson » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:39 am

If waze can't tell when a high volume freeway isn't closed, there not using their data very well.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby Caradellino » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:29 pm

CrackedLCD wrote: it wouldn't even show up in the map since it's not updated but once in a blue moon

...therefore it has to be a client-based solution, i don't think, there's a way around it. Imagine the Fuel prices had to be managed via WME... :roll:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:We now need to find out what Waze plans to do with the "Road Closed" report type just added to the app in the iOS beta.

So maybe there is hope in this matter, think positive... :mrgreen:
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby Caradellino » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:27 pm

WeeeZer14 wrote:The saving grace for a malicious user reporting a freeway closed would have to be OTHER Wazers CURRENTLY on the same segment. Say 3 Wazers are driving on the Freeway around the same time and place (details of what is close enough time and distance wise would have to be determined). One reports road closed. The other two fly by at freeway speed like nothing is wrong. Waze could then ignore the report.

WeeeZer14, I think your concept is perfect for dense areas - as you state yourself
WeeeZer14 wrote:If there are enough Wazer's

But what if there are not - there has to be a way in removing erroneous (think positive ;) ) reports without being there or the need of going there.

Don't get me wrong, i second such a feature very much - but it has to be as fast as a report but stay there until terminated. :!:
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby Caradellino » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:04 am

CBenson wrote:By the wazer reporting the road closed

Of course, I agree, that is the easy part, no doubt on that. It could be done much like the normal reports, but without being automatically deleted after a certain periode of time.
CBenson wrote:There really shouldn't be any problem with malicious (ignorant or otherwise erroneous) reports on high volume freeways, because its likely there will be wazers traversing the road.

Thats the part I'm not so sure about. In theory I agree with you, but practically I think Wazers would avoid a route over a closed road. So you need scouts traveling intentionally to a closed road to check it, spreading the news, so that Wazers start traversing the before closed roads again to generate the information you think to use to cancel the report.
A maybe better way could be a feature, that allows you to quit the report - especially if you have additional sources of information, best from remote location, so you don't have to wait until you get there again.
Malicious (ignorant or otherwise erroneous) reports could be dealt with immediately too - by the next passing Wazer.

For background information: here in Austria we have (beside the main cities) a rather scarce Wazer density, thats why I fear, we won't get enough Wazer tracks to remove a road closure automatically.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby Caradellino » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:19 am

CBenson wrote:If waze can't tell when a high volume freeway isn't closed, there not using their data very well.

Not necessarily...as far as I see it Waze just tracks Wazers and not TMC. If the Wazers avoid a "closed" road, Waze won't notice any traffic - therefore how would they get the information? In other words there is no data to use in that matter.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby Caradellino » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:15 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:If they are long-terms closures, the roads can be disconnected in the editor.

You could also change the turn-restrictions to exclude temporary closed roads froum routing.

But either disconecting or manipulating turn restictions...you'll have to wait for an update to get it into effect. So if a road ist closed for about a week you can't really do something in Waze (Alan, please correct me, if I'm wrong)

CrackedLCD wrote:I really hope the Waze crew can add that option at some point.

I absolutely agree and second your motion...
We had a long-term construction zone here in Vienna, Austria, with aditional speed cams and reduced speed limits - after its clearance the community had everything changed back to normal in aproximatly no time ;) ...
...still I am enjoying warnings for no more existing speedcams for about 2 weeks now because there was no update of the Livemap since.

Don't get me wrong, Waze has still the far fastest Updates, but as far as I see it: temporary road closures can't be dealt with in the moment.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:26 pm

tdsm wrote:Any news on this, guys?
Waze warning you about traffic jams ahead is great. Getting stuck in the city because of closed roads = :x :evil:

Nope. No new beta is out. I think it will be a while. It's likely the developers are working on the next map editor and then work on the app again. That's all conjecture as they don't usually tell us what's next.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:36 pm

Caradellino wrote:
CrackedLCD wrote: it wouldn't even show up in the map since it's not updated but once in a blue moon

...therefore it has to be a client-based solution, i don't think, there's a way around it. Imagine the Fuel prices had to be managed via WME... :roll:

For now, yes. In the old days, we could get a map update about weekly, so planning closures was pretty easy from the mapping standpoint. Coming up, when Waze is able to get to twice weekly updates, map-based closures will again be fairly easy to accomplish and time it pretty close to the actual closure.

But, for unplanned events, client-side reporting is essential.
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Re: Closed Road while Road works

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:21 pm

mouseRider wrote:Perhaps a COMMENT field in the Map Editor would be another great feature to have to allow contributors to attach a comment to certain changes.

The unpredictability of the LiveMap update schedule is probably the one thing that would toss a wrench into any effort to get the maps beneficially up-to-date with construction closures and even more so for short-term and very-short-term closures—All of which could be a great advantage to Wazers if they are accurately reflected in a timely manner.

Map editor annotations have been requested and Waze supposedly has it on the roadmap, but it's not going to happen soon. There is a 3rd party "solution" used by editors on the World server.

As of June, the LiveMap absolutely cannot be counted on. I found that it recently changed to show "9/3/2012" in my area, but it has roads showing at all zoom levels which I deleted back in early June. Only use the app to see what the current state of the map is.
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