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Re: Shields

Postby txemt » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:24 pm

Spil wrote:I took a look just for kicks, and found that a lot of I-86 in my area is now shielded again, but parts of it aren't; also, I-390 isn't showing shields here. Again, due to the awesome communication we always get from Waze :roll:, we really don't know what's going on ... but any return of shields is better than none, I suppose. :?


I've noticed that some highways are labeled and some aren't. It also varies on the zoom level, I've noticed.
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Re: Shields

Postby txemt » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:21 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Yes. It is non functional. Waze is supposed to give us more direct control over shield type and info in a future editor version.


They're starting to appear where they weren't before. I have the first shield in San Antonio since I started using Waze, 3-4 months ago.
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Shields

Postby txemt » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:15 pm

Is there a bug with the shields for highways? I noticed with the last tile update, some highways that were labeled XXX N or XX S had shields and some didn't. I remember a thread a long time ago about the absence of shields on some roads, and whatnot, but has that been figured out?
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Re: Shields

Postby thefatveganchef » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:27 am

I have noticed that shields are showing up on ramps still. Ramps need to be exempt from shield generation, it looks like the shield is out of place on the client.
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Re: Shields

Postby Spil » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:39 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:I've also seen state hwy shields in the last two days which I would swear up and down were not there just days ago. Perhaps they are trying to regenerate them again? Either to buy time or to prep for giving us better control in the editor? As usual, we have no clue what they are up to.

I took a look just for kicks, and found that a lot of I-86 in my area is now shielded again, but parts of it aren't; also, I-390 isn't showing shields here. Again, due to the awesome communication we always get from Waze :roll:, we really don't know what's going on ... but any return of shields is better than none, I suppose. :?
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Re: AW: Shields

Postby sketch » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:44 pm

Caradellino wrote:What I introduced in that quoted post was just a vision of future shield integration and has been postponed because of lack of Dev-time by Waze for now. So we did not get it yet.

Alt-names are not used at all by the client, so there is no surprise that this goes with shields as well and I wont expect a change here soon.

AT and AU have been easier for in both countries we had implemented the shields from country -wide CM (for AT no wonder but AU is a whole continent) because we both have no state fields and therefore no real structure in states within the country.

I'd really like to go on with the further integration of shields but that would interfear with you and other countries implementing shields to a standard like Australia (Austria is a much simpler case) has already-because l need the devs for this and Waze also wants to ,, finish" the first stage for many countries more before going on.

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From what I understood about your post a few months ago about Australian shields, was that Waze was unwilling to act unless you gave an example and list of every shield and every associated name format that you desired.

So just asking for "SR-xx" and "H-x" probably won't go anywhere. It seemed like we might actually get something if we get all our stuff together and make a big submission for all the states. My ideation was to give "SR-xx" a generic state shield and give state-specific shields only to those with state-specific abbreviations, since that wouldn't require using the state field.

Of course, if Waze is too busy now, then we won't get that either.
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Re: Shields

Postby sketch » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:44 pm

Short answer: Don't change the naming standard just to get shields to work.

Long answer: After seeing Caradellino's recent work in Australia, I've been inspired to get shields working for state highways in the US. It seems unlikely that Waze will add a shield rule here and a shield rule there, but with a full set of proposed rules, it seems they might be more willing.

Most states by now, I think, use "SR-", which does not create shields. It'd be easy to say "give SR- the state highway shield", but it doesn't end there. Some states have their own standards—Louisiana uses "LA-", Michigan uses "M-", and so forth, to follow local conventions. Some states, on the other hand, are still using "State Hwy", and I can't help but think that some of these are states without strong local leadership, who are just going on with what the base map came with.

"SH-" does not work at all, not even for text-to-speech. I don't know that I'd want it to, either. Even if roads are called "highway" by locals, I've never seen "SH-" written down anywhere, whereas even here (where, e.g., "LA 48" is on the signs), I've seen "SR-" used in DOTD information. I don't think users are going to be very confused by "SR-25", especially when it says "State Route 25" out loud.

What I'd like to see is (1) an abbreviation for every state, whether "SR-" or one specific to the state, (2) generic state highway oval shield for "SR-", and (3) specialized shields for all the states which have their own abbreviations, like "LA-" and "M-". I'll bet (1) is harder than it sounds.
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Re: Shields

Postby sketch » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:38 am

The yellow-on-blue pentagon shield is apparently the one recommended by the MUTCD. I would be fine with incorporating that for CR-xx and Parish Rd xx — Louisiana uses the same shield for its parish routes.

Does "CR-" say "county route" or "county road"? Optimally we'd be able to get the equivalent for "PR-xx".

There are a few different county route numbering schemes I'm aware of, many involve letters, either purely or in conjunction with numbers. For example, Michigan's county route system is divided into regions A through somewhere around N; county highways are numbered like CR-B17. There are also county roads with just numbers which are not "highways".
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Re: Shields

Postby sketch » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:33 pm

Haha, it's surely not unique to Europe, either!

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I-77 N, I-81 S, and US-52 N are concurrent at the point where you would see these signs. A few miles before, the three routes are also concurrent with US-11 S.

That's the only one I could think of off the top of my head, but I've certainly seen up to five concurrencies on the same freeway.
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Re: Shields

Postby sketch » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:09 pm

CBenson wrote:
sketch wrote:we get ambitious and give Waze blank shields for each state, and submit 48 states'

I'd say 53 will DC and the territories.

Well, in the full quote I meant to imply "K- for Kansas, M- for Michigan, and the two-letter abbreviations for the other 48 states". But yes, the number will be higher than 50, because of DC, territories, and because a few states have more than one shield. Not sure how we'd handle those, and also not sure how we'd handle the "lettered" secondary state routes of Missouri.

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AU is going to propose to Amit a suggestion/wish for further implementation of the shields into the client - you surely noticed the purple bubble issue. For a pic says more than thousand words, I just created an "artists impression", so it's a fake picture of what we want, not what we have. I'd be happy if you agree to this and support it as well...ademand from two highly populated continents is hard to neglect for Waze :lol:
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Funny—I made a post suggesting something very similar to this many years ago! https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... t=10#p3506

Of course, I love the idea, especially with the navigation bubbles. (Forget the old suggestion about control cities.) The very best way to implement this, IMO, would be to replace both the "I-10" part and the subsequent slash or hyphen where there is one, that way you could have it say "to [I-10 shield] New Orleans / Baton Rouge" on a ramp, and "[NA8] Barton Hwy" on the purple bubble, without taking up the extra room.
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