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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:02 am

Let us know how this works. I'd be surprised if they were running routing while on transit, which would give them the instructions as you are trying.
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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby heckmandm » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:04 am

Hi James! I wasn't really sure on how to handle that situation either so I did some research in the Map Best Editing Practices wiki and in the boards. This post (http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=26115) seems to be similar to your situation of transit-only roads.

These two sources indicate that the best thing would be to update those transit-only sections to the type "Private Road" and disallow all turns onto those roads from other segments. This should keep Waze from routing onto those roads.

I'm still a fairly new editor myself, so if anyone cares to chime in on that please do.

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Transit harming routing information

Postby james8970 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:03 am

In the past, I've been a little worried about how many people are using Waze on transit buses. Upon my city's addition of a BRT line, and routes exclusive to buses, the problem has become very obvious. Lots of people are using Waze on buses.

Today I decided to modify a few transit streets so that their name will inform people that they shouldn't be using Waze on the bus. I believe Waze should create a new transit segment that would eliminate speed data for a trip, if the user were to go onto one of these special roads. Additionally, if the client prompted people about this problem, that would also be helpful.

I figure that such an addition should be fairly simple and ought to improve the data for roads substantially by eliminating bad data and informing users that they are doing something wrong.
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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby james8970 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:59 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Let us know how this works. I'd be surprised if they were running routing while on transit, which would give them the instructions as you are trying.

I highly doubt they'd be running the routing feature either. My concern lays in transit users uploading poor traffic speed data that could have adverse effects on the routing of other users. This would obviously happen since transit buses stop on a far more frequent basis.
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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby james8970 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:08 pm

heckmandm wrote:These two sources indicate that the best thing would be to update those transit-only sections to the type "Private Road" and disallow all turns onto those roads from other segments. This should keep Waze from routing onto those roads.

I'm aware of that solution, however we have a new BRT line that bypases a significant amount of congested traffic that moves very slowly during rush hour. This BRT line has underpasses (the adjacent traffic does not) and buses travel at 80km/h, rather than the traditional speed of cars that would be moving at 50km/h at the most during rush hour. Due to the vast differences in speed, I feel that making this new BRT transit route has to be disconnected all together to avoid Waze routing traffic down this road. This route is an exception, I have all the other transit routes listed as a private road with all turns disallowed.

My problem is that once the transit buses get back onto the regular roads, the users using Waze will be updating incorrect speed data and messing up the roads. If we had a particular road designated to transit, we could at least eliminate the 'drives' from updating information to waze on road speed, where people had used these roads.
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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby james8970 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:19 pm

I understand that. I was simply proposing that maybe Waze could do something with a new 'transit' road segment, that would notify people that they shouldn't be using Waze when on a bus AND ignore their entire drive if they went on one of these roads, to prevent improper speed data from being uploaded to the server.

Right now, with the changes that I have done, I'm simply hoping that someone will look at the screen and see the name of the street, which will read 'Please Don't Use Waze While on a Bus'. From seeing that, I'm hoping that they'll discontinue further use of Waze while on a bus. Its a long shot, but it might work.
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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby james8970 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:46 am

Not complicated. Just greater flexibility to add different segment types to existing roads only used by buses. I'm not suggesting that we'd have to add additional roads to the map.

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Re: Transit harming routing information

Postby jasonh300 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:13 pm

james8970 wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Let us know how this works. I'd be surprised if they were running routing while on transit, which would give them the instructions as you are trying.

I highly doubt they'd be running the routing feature either. My concern lays in transit users uploading poor traffic speed data that could have adverse effects on the routing of other users. This would obviously happen since transit buses stop on a far more frequent basis.
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Transit harming routing information

Postby jmp316 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:14 am

Sounds complicated. In Chicago, buses use city streets only. I agree that using waze on a bus messes with traffic data a bit, but adding more roads (at least in Chicago) would be completely a bad option. Maybe in other areas this would work better...
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