Waze Cheating in Ireland.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:14 am

Making the tiniest of changes possible basically without actually *doing* anything, if that makes sense?

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:31 pm

I can guess where those fingers are pointing and I would also have to agree. It has been going on farrrrr too long without providing any real input to the map data other than forcing tile changes which aren't needed, which in turn cause higher server load, longer tile processing times, and generally spoil for everyone across the board.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 pm

From what I gather, it's when <redacted>. Depending how far you zoom out this can get quite a lot of points, but does nothing of any benefit to the map. It's a shame really.
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:20 am

It's not just limited to Ireland unfortunately we have it here too. You definitely did the right thing by contacting Waze. See what their reply is and if necessary press them on it.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby bozwell » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:08 pm

Admittedly I have no idea how Waze points can be cheated but I assume there would have to be map changes of some sort to generate the points, so wouldn't you see those changes on the map in Ireland?
Could it be that there is just a lot of work to be done in Ireland, so there are a lot of things that need fixing, and they go unnoticed on such an undeveloped map?

I'm assuming it is undeveloped by what the OP wrote.
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sun May 18, 2014 10:21 pm

Hi Ori,

Thank you.

I am offended and still feel unfairly treated that my username was wrongfully added to this thread on Fri May 16, 2014 6:21 pm. What is inferred there concerning me is untruthful. The timeline is also incorrect. I would like to have my username removed from this post because it still infers inappropriateness and that’s not me!

This is further compounded in your post Sun May 18, 2014 12:52 pm by the words
who was wrongfully accused to be a cheater

Those words need to go too in fairness. Maybe the initial post of Fri May 16, 2014 6:21 pm to date needs to go!

I’m well into my third year with Waze leading and showing good example from the front. My record, example, extensive work and ethics shows that I’m a true conscientious believer, Waze protagonist and promoter for the common good out there on the road.

Naturally this is not the place for matters so delicate. I will correspond on the issue further in the way in which you suggest.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sun May 18, 2014 6:12 pm

Hi Ori,

Noted.

In the first instance I did not post anything about this matter on this particular forum or any other one. You can see who initiated it and furthermore quoted my username. Ask yourself why that was done? Why did you not take umbrage with that viz-a-vie your statement concerning posts?

I was contacted by one of the Wazers who was wrongfully accused to be a cheater


It is only fair that I should know the content of the accusation because it quite obviously refers to me and is totally untrue. This can be done by PM. The inference now is that I have wrongly accused another Wazer
to be a cheater

As Country Manager for Ireland I wish to have this inference corrected immediately on this forum.

Secondly I did not accuse anyone of cheating in a PM or in a post on this forum.

Please show me on the Waze wiki or on any Waze noticeboard the instructions guidelines you have quoted referring to matters of this nature.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sun May 18, 2014 2:25 pm

Hi Ori,

I'm surprised at such a threat emanating in public from Waze HQ, based on what?

Grateful if you would elaborate further on your comment...

I was contacted by one of the Wazers who was wrongfully accused to be a cheater.


I have genuine suspicions as to what this might be about. It is obvious something is amiss here!

I wish to see a full transcript by PM of the complaint that was made to you, please.

I look forward to hearing from you without undue delay.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:15 am

Hi,

No is the simple answer to your query "ikyriakidis".

Cheating can come in many guises.

Some of the cheap easy cheats are those that flit around a large area of the map re-editing segments where there is no reason for a re-edit. In many instances they leave damage behind - messing up alignment, turns, breaking connections, etc. You can see at a glance their work is careless and not up to scratch. A complete waste of space and of no benefit to Waze and more importantly Waze users. Some of these can easily be identified because they end up getting their name as an Updater on practically every segment. Editing where editing is not required and in a headlong rush to build up points. They will be quick to tell you baloney that they came across a problem! There are not problems on that many segments, especially the number of segments being re-edited, if you understand what I mean, so those types are easily identified. You never see them undertake intricate time-consuming assessment and editing tasks or generating new segments!

Then you have the geek types who can utilise scripts to generate short road segment/s automatically, save the newly generated segment/s, then after a relevant time-lapse delete the segment/s automatically and then automatically re-generate it again. This process can go on for hours generating miles and miles of bogus road segments and earning lots of points. You can look out for these type of things occurring on short road segment ends measuring 40-90 meters in length in cities where there is a large matting of GPS signals. Some just place a 30-50 meter segment which can re-generate at least three segments automatically.

Most of the big points earners engage in cheating. Some editors in some small countries have so many points earned they could have paved to Mars and back! Amazing!

I've been out of action for a time because of serious injuries sustained. Now I'm nearly back to full fettle again I'm going to devote more time to rooting out cheats. I'm a bit like a dog with a bone when it comes to cheating.

I would encourage new editors to become active throughout Ireland. Go through the tutorials, become familiar with the Wiki and ask questions in the Forum if need be. You will always receive some level of help to get you started. My harping on about cheating is aimed at mature editors who should know better, so don't be worried that you might be doing something wrong at any time. We all had to learn so expect to make mistakes. WE know enough to identify genuine editors.
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:05 am

Before publicly naming anyone suspected of cheating, the consequences of which I'm happy to accept, I'm openly asking what the stated position of Waze as an organization is on cheating for points and their attitude and views to obvious cheating that exists.

Some of the points generated weekly are simply not justifiable or achievable by editing and or driving or even arranging both 247.

Does Waze have a policy on cheaters and especially those that are reported to them as suspect? Does Waze condone cheating?

I personally do not wish to be associated with any organisation that condones or allows such activity!

I see far too many high ranking editors passing scant comment and accepting as is unfortunately, which really indicates - don't knock it!
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