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explanation? anyone?

Postby seriousarsonist » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:46 am

Hi all

I've been doing a bit of over the border work ;) and have come across this rather curious anomaly. Does anyone have any thoughts as it's confusing the hell out of me. The only thing I can think is that we are about to get Counties, or translates or some other old 'coming soon' promise...

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as you can see I was in Monaghan

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Zoom out one and it suddenly becomes all Gaeilge
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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby davidg666 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:52 am

seriousarsonist wrote:I've been doing a bit of over the border work ;) and have come across this rather curious anomaly. Does anyone have any thoughts as it's confusing the hell out of me. The only thing I can think is that we are about to get Counties, or translates or some other old 'coming soon' promise...
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as you can see I was in Monaghan
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Zoom out one and it suddenly becomes all Gaeilge

I was working on the map around Carrickmacross in mid-December, and I noticed this too.

At first I thought it was somebody giving some road segments their English city name, and some their Irish name, thus resulting in what would look like two different cities, each with a name in a different language, however when I went looking for road segments with a city name of "Muineachan" I couldn't find any, so I shook my head in bewilderment and moved on.

I sometimes get the feeling that the city names shown on the live map aren't 100% drawn from the cities in the editor, but might partly come from other sources. I haven't found any evidence to substantiate this, however.

Short answer: I've noticed this too, but I don't have an explanation! Anybode else?

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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby seriousarsonist » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:46 am

I'd thought that too, so I checked all the other mapping resources available but none of them show the Gaelic only the English. So unless Waze has purchased something we don't know about or is using a really weird source then we'll just have to remain in the dark...

Maybe someone else can explain it

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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby YanisKyr » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:23 pm

This probably has to do with the Google maps integration. My observation is that some levels of information are not visible neither editable through the editor (another example is the POIs).
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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby arthurohara » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:53 am

Hi Pip, David, Yanis,

Good morning and a happy, healthy, peaceful and prosperous 2015.

Since 2012 Google has been involved in an initiative concerning endangered languages. See http://www.endangeredlanguages.com
I participate!

We have Google Phost (gMail); Google Search as Gaeilge etc.
There are other initiatives.

I expect that the Gaelic version is displayed because a Google algorithm kicks in at a certain zoom level though I cannot presently confirm.

I carried out some extensive editing following a field trip to Monaghan in November 2014 because it was a vital area that was missing considerable detail. I did place the Gaelic name in in a few segments as an alternative City name but they have disappeared. It may have been a precursor!

Some of the work I completed has disappeared and other segments recreated. I expect Waze have had a tile mapping issue.

I will make some enquiries and will keep you posted on developments.

Am I still correct in assuming that roundabouts should not have City and Street segment naming?

All the best and have a good weekend,

Sláinte (Good Health)

Arthur.




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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby seriousarsonist » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:02 am

Thank Arthur, that could explain it! It still seems like a weird thing to happen...

I've had to redo quite a bit of Monaghan town as it was either wildly incorrect or horribly out of date. I haven't got the small stuff done as I ran a bit short on time. As for roundabouts, I'll stick the city name in but never name the roads

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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby arthurohara » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:21 am

Thanks Pip,

Waze is in constant development and elicits data from many sources. - in this instance GoogleMaps.

Search Muineachan on your client navigator and you will see!

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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby davidg666 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:14 pm

'evening Arthur,
arthurohara wrote:Am I still correct in assuming that roundabouts should not have City and Street segment naming?

That's my belief, yes. A city name on roundabouts is harmless (I don't add it, but I also don't remove it if I come across it) but a street name on roundabouts can confuse the TTS directions given to the user when navigating and also looks a bit funny on the map display - so I never add a street name to a roundabout and often remove it when I come across it if I'm doing other work in the area.

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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby arthurohara » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:50 pm

Evening David,

Thank you. I also tend to do likewise but in main remove city name as well especially on roundabouts that are a bit removed from a city/town.

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Re: explanation? anyone?

Postby davidg666 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:00 pm

'evening Arthur,
arthurohara wrote:Thank you. I also tend to do likewise but in main remove city name as well especially on roundabouts that are a bit removed from a city/town.

Good point - I should have said that I remove the city name from any segment of any type that's not actually within the limits of the city/town/village that has that name, so as to avoid cities/towns/villages that appear on the map that are much larger than the actual settlement, or to avoid settlements that don't actually exist at all. (sometimes I notice novice editors give segments a city name because they think it has to have one or because they think a segment should have a city name for the city/town/village that is nearby, even though the segment might not actually be inside the settlement).

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