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Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby arthurohara » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:44 am

(See addendum below - Wed 18 Jan 2012 1804 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.)


Greetings fellow Waze members. I’m a relatively new member of Waze.

On Fri 13 Jan 2012 I paved many miles of new undocumented roads in counties Roscommon and Longford. I edited the paved trails on Sat 14 Jan and assigned correct values, road numbers where available and road names. I kept written logs and photographs of the road work I conducted.

I note on Mon 16 Jan that many of these newly paved and documented roads have been deleted by somebody! Is this normal practice?

Are the deletions conducted by Waze? If not is there any way in determining precisely who deleted the work and why?

I have noted that a fellow Waze member has edited, somewhat unnecessarily some of the vast amount of work I conducted on the 13th and 14th January 2012.

As I’m relatively new to Waze I may have missed some elements in my extensive study of all of the available guidelines I can find.

I would be most grateful for some answers and observations on this issue, please.

Regards,

ArthurOHara
Tue 17 Jan 2012 0139 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.

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Addendum - Wed 18 Jan 2012 1804 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.

As a matter of mere ethics, politeness, courtesy and fairness, members of Waze who pave new roads should be allowed a sufficient and realistic length of time, of at least a week or maybe longer to edit and if necessary on reflection and further re-examination of their work to re-edit their newly paved roadways, roundabouts and landmarks.

I respectfully ask for such courtesy in respect of the new paving work and initial editing that I conduct as a Waze member. I note that before you can blink one member of Waze in particular jumps in almost immediately and updates work that I have undertaken. I don't think that my request is unreasonable. Can anyone tell me if points are assigned and a rough scale of the numbers for such points assigned for such updates work, please?

I notice that in one place in Co Kildare my paved work was hijacked two days after paving before I had chance to edit it at all. Love to know how that could happen?

One observation - Should all Wazers in Ireland SHOW themselves while live and on the roads, especially while paving new roadways?

Views and comments would be appreciated.

Regards,

ArthurOHara.
Wed 18 Jan 2012 1804 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.
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Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby arthurohara » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:59 pm

Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments
Sent at: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:51 pm
From: arthurohara
To: llayden

Dear Mr. lleyden,

I paved Kingsbry Maynooth earlier today Wed 18 Jan 2012 plus a few other local places and now when I come home tonight to edit what I had paved I see you have already gone in and added the detail to the roads I paved.

I request that you allow me finish out the work I start, otherwise how can I learn?

I will be reporting this on the Waze forum.

ArthurOHara.
Wed 18 Jan 2012 2144 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.
Last edited by arthurohara on Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby arthurohara » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:56 pm

Thank you Jasonh300 and dmcconachie,

Thank you for your response posts of guidance, advice and criticism.

I am relatively new to Waze and anxious to finish out my own paved work in order to learn more and become proficient with all elements of the Waze editor. How else can one learn if somebody jumps in and updates your work within hours of you paving undocumented roads. I'm not in it solely for the points. I want to see Waze go places because I firmly believe there is great potential in the program from the point of view of road traffic and its management in the future, as I've previously written about. I paved a whole raft of new roads earlier today and when I sat down this evening at home to update them in the editor, in the hope of educating myself further I found that lleyden had jumped in within a few short hours and updated my newly paved areas. Area Managers should also encourage people like me who want to do the job and do it right. How can I do that if someone hops in in front within hours and updates newly paved work. I keep logs and photographs that I refer to when updating in order to try and make sure I undertake the work precisely and understand it. When I undertake something i like to do it to the best of my ability. It is a bit more than "frustrating"! I consider it a n bit of an affront and an indicator that I'm not up to the job. Its just not right! Agreed if someone leaves something undone for ages but, in my case my brief history on Waze will show that as a beginner my work-rate and accuracy is probably as good as it gets. As errors pop up in the areas I can edit I usually remedy them promptly.

I have corresponded PM with lleyden and he should be aware I like to finish my own work. I also indicated I was concerned about work I had done that mysteriously disappeared. Yet he has gone ahead this evening and updated work that i put a lot of effort into earlier today. I seriously question the propriety of that!

I can appreciate that some people do make a bit of a mess and never go to the editor but, that's not me. I'm absolutely furious and want to make a very strong point without pussyfooting around. I will be the first to admit my own mistakes and am amenable to sound fair advice and admonishment where necessary.

I'm here to help, as much as lleyden if I'm allowed the opportunity.

Regards,

arthurohara.
Wed 18 Jan 2012 2252 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.

Re-edited: Thu 19 Jan 2012 0803 GMT Standard Time Wk. 03.
Last edited by arthurohara on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:03 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby dmcconachie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:08 pm

I don't think you should go around brandishing people cheats so early in your waze life.

There is plenty of work to be done and absolutely nothing to gain from jumping on somebody else's paved roads. The vast majority of wazers come nowhere near the editor whether they pave or not!

You should try to contact lleyden via the forum PM function to let him know you are working in the area. We do after all all need to work together!

On a related note, kudos for making your way to the editor and the forum and welcome to waze!
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Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby dmcconachie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:59 pm

arthurohara wrote:I'm absolutely furious and want to make a very strong point without pussyfooting around.

There really is no need to be angry. Nobody meant anything by it. As Jason and I have both said, the vast majority do not come and finish their work. There's every chance lleyden didn't even notice how old your paving was!

You've made contact, if he continues to do it then you can raise a problem!
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Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby jasonh300 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:18 pm

Welcome to Waze, Arthur. You seem like a very enthusiastic editor, and you probably have a lot to contribute. Just want to point out a couple of things...

Many drivers will pave roads from the client app, and never come back to edit them. So they stay on the editor as a red road that never makes it back to the client for everyone to use.

It's the area manager's job to decide whether they're real roads or if someone was just paving roads while riding around a field on a lawn mower. Being that llayden is a Level 3 Area Manager, he was not really doing anything unethical. You gained far more points by paving than you would by editing the roads, although I understand your frustration, in that you would have gotten even more by editing.

If you let llayden know that you actually intend to edit the roads you've paved (once again...this is not something we see every day), I'm sure he'll resist the urge to clean up the red roads. Area managers are usually more than willing to work in cooperation with other editors.

ETA: llayden has been active in the forums within the past couple of days. I assume that you sent him a PM and that's what you've copied as your second post. I did a quick search of Longford, Ireland in the editor on the world server and the first 6 segments I clicked on, you had edited 3 and llayden had edited 3. I don't know how much area llayden covers, but you might be neighbors. :lol:

One thing you really need to watch for is things like this: (see highlighted segment)

https://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom= ... =104626074

Since the aerial is at such a low resolution, I can't really see what's there, but I assume these two roads intersect each other. There's no junction connecting the two roads.
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Re: Paved/Edited Roads Deletions & Unnecessary Amendments

Postby jasonh300 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:37 pm

Disregard what I said about the junctions in that segment...I now see that it's a railroad, and shouldn't have any junctions.
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