Waze Cheating in Ireland.

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Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:22 am

Does anyone other than myself even slightly suspect that some Irish Waze members are cheating in some way or another for points?

Your views and comments would be appreciated. My views and beliefs are obvious and I intend to try and do something to halt the practice or at least assure myself that it is no longer happening!

We are seeing some very high points being recorded but, where is the work? The high amount of points should reflect itself on the Ireland map but falls far short.

Here is a quote from comments I made yesterday in another part of the forum entitled "Waze Cheating". I have also written Waze on the matter.

arthurohara wrote:Seems to me Waze turns a somewhat blinkered eye to cheaters, cheats and cheating generally. Maybe they are just collecting the evidence before they pounce on the cheater and banish him/her to the scrap yard crusher!

I do thankfully appreciate and see some actions been taken in the latest release but, its not enough.

It is obvious to a blind man that high scale cheating for points is going on! I give Waze the maximum of my spare time, when possible. I work hard at it! If I put in an extra long hard week on Waze, driving but mostly editing I see others tripling my weekly score in Ireland without been seen driving, editing or showing an appropriate return of work for the points they earn in a typical day and or week.

I think some people with a high degree of technical know-how can and do manipulate the Waze system!

I would like to see definitive Waze policy and actions taken to bar cheaters without recourse to appeal. Nothing good for Waze can come from a cheat.

Honesty is the best policy!

"Get the point not the points"

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland. (edited)

Postby Unholy » Sun May 18, 2014 11:52 am

Hi guys,

My name is Ori.
I am a community manager, here at Waze HQ.

I was contacted by one of the Wazers who feels that he was wrongfully accused to be a cheater.

I know that there is nothing as frustrating and enraging as a cheating user who try to get points by doing bogus edits, using scripts or misusing Waze for the benefit of gaining points and seeing his name in the scoreboard.
Let me be very clear about it - We will not tolerate misusing Waze, abusing, cheating and using Waze to harm other people in anyway.

Having said that, I would like to ask you to avoid public shaming of Wazers on the forums.

If you do suspect that any Wazer is cheating or doing actions that might harm the map and your hard work, please contact us - We have tools to check whether users are cheating or harming the map.

The frequency of real cheater is very low nowadays, as we use many automatic tools that prevent abusing the maps and the scoring system.

Thank you for keeping a watchful eye and keeping the map intact, and if you do suspect an abuser, please contact us and avoid posting his username and information in the forum.


Thank you,

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland. (edited)

Postby mapdevil » Fri May 16, 2014 5:21 pm

hi there
i am writing this message after receiving a pm from one of the community members recently and i came across this forum post. although there was no detail about the intention of the sender in the message, i think it was about this topic.
i dont really care about points to be honest, because maps are my passion and daily job as well. i live in ireland, edit ireland maps and also editing in another country. since the irish map is quite good compared to the others, i spend more time on the other country than ireland (maybe around 30% to 70%). Most of the time i am checking if there are URs and trying to fix them if i am familiar with the location on irish maps, or add/edit if i find a problem/ missing road etc when i am driving. i am area manager of three regions. however if i cant see much edits in my management area, i spend my time in the other country which i am very very familiar.
because of that my points are going up! (but no one is paying me for those points :) ) but as said i dont care about the points, what i want is reliable navigation and maps where i live and visit.
i searched forums and i couldnt find any rule for this situation. it seems that you can edit as long as you are editing properly and correctly, in your management area and around drives.
and for the cheating, personally i dont think that would be technically "possible (very easy)" (with a bulk loading etc) or easy to cheat the system unless if you are really passioned or geek :) i would personaly congratulate that person! i am also very familiar with the web and map services used in waze editor, i am using those technologies everyday.
so thats my story; please let me know if there is an issue with my situation. to be honest i wouldnt mind changing the country if earning points bothers people that much, but i live in Ireland, editing in Ireland, why should i change!
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby Unholy » Mon May 19, 2014 6:13 am

Hi Arthur,

I took the liberty of editing a post here in this thread, and remove your name from it as you requested.

I would be happy if you could PM me, so we could start 'tabola rasa', and work together.


Thanks,

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sun May 18, 2014 10:21 pm

Hi Ori,

Thank you.

I am offended and still feel unfairly treated that my username was wrongfully added to this thread on Fri May 16, 2014 6:21 pm. What is inferred there concerning me is untruthful. The timeline is also incorrect. I would like to have my username removed from this post because it still infers inappropriateness and that’s not me!

This is further compounded in your post Sun May 18, 2014 12:52 pm by the words
who was wrongfully accused to be a cheater

Those words need to go too in fairness. Maybe the initial post of Fri May 16, 2014 6:21 pm to date needs to go!

I’m well into my third year with Waze leading and showing good example from the front. My record, example, extensive work and ethics shows that I’m a true conscientious believer, Waze protagonist and promoter for the common good out there on the road.

Naturally this is not the place for matters so delicate. I will correspond on the issue further in the way in which you suggest.

Regards,

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby Unholy » Sun May 18, 2014 9:35 pm

Hi Arthur,

Again. I did not accuse any Wazer, nor did I imply that anyone broke any rules or done something that needed an admin action.


All I've asked (and still asking) is that we maintain a certain code of conduct when we have discussion with other Wazers on the forums.

I do believe that we cannot and should not cover every aspect of forum communication between Wazers,as I have great faith in my fellow Wazers - I've been around the Waze forums for roughly 5 years, and I recall only one or two times which I had to ban a user for abusing the forums.

There is no need to continue and look for any subtext or accusations in my or your posts.
Let's continue to keep good atmosphere in the forums.

If you wish to discuss certain Wazers with me, I would be more than happy to work along with you, for the benefit of the Wazers in Ireland.
Please feel free to PM me.

Thank you again,


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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sun May 18, 2014 6:12 pm

Hi Ori,

Noted.

In the first instance I did not post anything about this matter on this particular forum or any other one. You can see who initiated it and furthermore quoted my username. Ask yourself why that was done? Why did you not take umbrage with that viz-a-vie your statement concerning posts?

I was contacted by one of the Wazers who was wrongfully accused to be a cheater


It is only fair that I should know the content of the accusation because it quite obviously refers to me and is totally untrue. This can be done by PM. The inference now is that I have wrongly accused another Wazer
to be a cheater

As Country Manager for Ireland I wish to have this inference corrected immediately on this forum.

Secondly I did not accuse anyone of cheating in a PM or in a post on this forum.

Please show me on the Waze wiki or on any Waze noticeboard the instructions guidelines you have quoted referring to matters of this nature.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby Unholy » Sun May 18, 2014 2:39 pm

Hi,

As this user contacted me in a private manner, I will respect his privacy, and will not share the correspondence which we had out in the forums.
I have not posted on this forum to accuse anyone with anything.

Please avoid posting usernames of individuals which suspected in cheating, along with information about them out on the forums.

If anyone in the community feels that some individual is abusing the system or doing something that might harm or hurt others, please report it to us at Waze HQ.
This is how we deal with suspected cheaters world-wide.


Thanks,

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sun May 18, 2014 2:25 pm

Hi Ori,

I'm surprised at such a threat emanating in public from Waze HQ, based on what?

Grateful if you would elaborate further on your comment...

I was contacted by one of the Wazers who was wrongfully accused to be a cheater.


I have genuine suspicions as to what this might be about. It is obvious something is amiss here!

I wish to see a full transcript by PM of the complaint that was made to you, please.

I look forward to hearing from you without undue delay.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:15 am

Hi,

No is the simple answer to your query "ikyriakidis".

Cheating can come in many guises.

Some of the cheap easy cheats are those that flit around a large area of the map re-editing segments where there is no reason for a re-edit. In many instances they leave damage behind - messing up alignment, turns, breaking connections, etc. You can see at a glance their work is careless and not up to scratch. A complete waste of space and of no benefit to Waze and more importantly Waze users. Some of these can easily be identified because they end up getting their name as an Updater on practically every segment. Editing where editing is not required and in a headlong rush to build up points. They will be quick to tell you baloney that they came across a problem! There are not problems on that many segments, especially the number of segments being re-edited, if you understand what I mean, so those types are easily identified. You never see them undertake intricate time-consuming assessment and editing tasks or generating new segments!

Then you have the geek types who can utilise scripts to generate short road segment/s automatically, save the newly generated segment/s, then after a relevant time-lapse delete the segment/s automatically and then automatically re-generate it again. This process can go on for hours generating miles and miles of bogus road segments and earning lots of points. You can look out for these type of things occurring on short road segment ends measuring 40-90 meters in length in cities where there is a large matting of GPS signals. Some just place a 30-50 meter segment which can re-generate at least three segments automatically.

Most of the big points earners engage in cheating. Some editors in some small countries have so many points earned they could have paved to Mars and back! Amazing!

I've been out of action for a time because of serious injuries sustained. Now I'm nearly back to full fettle again I'm going to devote more time to rooting out cheats. I'm a bit like a dog with a bone when it comes to cheating.

I would encourage new editors to become active throughout Ireland. Go through the tutorials, become familiar with the Wiki and ask questions in the Forum if need be. You will always receive some level of help to get you started. My harping on about cheating is aimed at mature editors who should know better, so don't be worried that you might be doing something wrong at any time. We all had to learn so expect to make mistakes. WE know enough to identify genuine editors.
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