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Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:22 am

Does anyone other than myself even slightly suspect that some Irish Waze members are cheating in some way or another for points?

Your views and comments would be appreciated. My views and beliefs are obvious and I intend to try and do something to halt the practice or at least assure myself that it is no longer happening!

We are seeing some very high points being recorded but, where is the work? The high amount of points should reflect itself on the Ireland map but falls far short.

Here is a quote from comments I made yesterday in another part of the forum entitled "Waze Cheating". I have also written Waze on the matter.

arthurohara wrote:Seems to me Waze turns a somewhat blinkered eye to cheaters, cheats and cheating generally. Maybe they are just collecting the evidence before they pounce on the cheater and banish him/her to the scrap yard crusher!

I do thankfully appreciate and see some actions been taken in the latest release but, its not enough.

It is obvious to a blind man that high scale cheating for points is going on! I give Waze the maximum of my spare time, when possible. I work hard at it! If I put in an extra long hard week on Waze, driving but mostly editing I see others tripling my weekly score in Ireland without been seen driving, editing or showing an appropriate return of work for the points they earn in a typical day and or week.

I think some people with a high degree of technical know-how can and do manipulate the Waze system!

I would like to see definitive Waze policy and actions taken to bar cheaters without recourse to appeal. Nothing good for Waze can come from a cheat.

Honesty is the best policy!

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:20 am

It's not just limited to Ireland unfortunately we have it here too. You definitely did the right thing by contacting Waze. See what their reply is and if necessary press them on it.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby Bozwell » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:08 pm

Admittedly I have no idea how Waze points can be cheated but I assume there would have to be map changes of some sort to generate the points, so wouldn't you see those changes on the map in Ireland?
Could it be that there is just a lot of work to be done in Ireland, so there are a lot of things that need fixing, and they go unnoticed on such an undeveloped map?

I'm assuming it is undeveloped by what the OP wrote.
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 pm

From what I gather, it's when <redacted>. Depending how far you zoom out this can get quite a lot of points, but does nothing of any benefit to the map. It's a shame really.
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:22 am

Sixty views and two further comments later!

Waze don't seem interested whether users cheat for points or not. Makes one wonder if they want honest hard-working editors to continue building the map. Maybe I'm writing to the wrong people in Waze. Allowing cheating for excessive points, leaves questions to be answered, a lot to be desired and a reasonable question as to the authenticity behind the whole project. Every effort must be made to stamp out every form of cheating for points.

xteejx on Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:13 pm rightly states - "does nothing of any benefit to the map. It's a shame really"
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Ireland does not have an undeveloped map. Considering we have such sparse high resolution satellite imagery that is available in other countries, the Irish map is great and improving at a fair pace. It just takes a bit more effort! We have some brilliant editors out there doing just that and they should be highly commended.

I'm going to continue to do my own little bit of detective work on suspected cheating and will post my findings.

Cheating for high points is possible because I believe what is stated by eminent editors here:-

llayden wrote:
dmcconachie wrote:In /my/ humble opinion 100k, and even 70k, in one week is not possible if you are taking care with what you are doing, ensuring things are correct and not using other, copyrighted, sources!

Some of the top editors on here, and I don't mean by points, have been editing for a long long time and getting nowhere near scores like that. My highest ever weekly score is around 27k and involved editing for roughly 6 hours a day for 6/7 days! To suggest the effort I have put in over almost 2 years of dedication can be achieved in 6-10 weeks is nothing short of insulting.

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I agree that 100k is unlikely to be legitimate. However, I have had to revise my suspicions as to what may be legitimate. I was a die-hard Cartouche editor until about a month ago. I noticed what was going on with points and did an experiment which I have told some of you about - basically I did a once off cheat of 20,000 edits (took about six hours to complete). This was worth 60,000 points. I told Waze exactly what I had done and the counter measures that would prevent it happening again. They have said that some of the counter measures will be introduced shortly. I also asked them to reduce my points - but they didn't. However after that, I switched to Papyrus and have been very surprised that without increasing my editing time, my points have substantially increased. I used to be good for 15-25k a week but am now hitting twice that per week - quite legitimately. However, its patchy. My impression is that when I'm concentrating on junctions, I score more than when I'm concentrating on naming things or drawing roads. For sure many things are faster in Papyrus but I also think its counting differently.

BTW I think that at the end of every month, everyone should lose 5% of their total points - give new entrants a chance to catch up - a discounted points flow?


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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby razer999 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:06 pm

To all you Xbox generation wazers (I won't say wasters), complaining about how some people cheat to get more points to prove they are a bigger wazer than you are. We must congratulate WAZE on a brilliant strategy to get people to work hard for free.

If you have so much free time, why don't you spend some of it working unpaid for a local charity. Or, you can come and work for me for free...(I will even give you a piece of paper with points written on it. - @ a rate of 10 000 points per hour).

Alternatively why not contribute to Open Street Map (like I do)... but, you won't get points to boost your ego.
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Re: Waze Cheating for Points in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:44 am

Some further time has been focused on the issue of cheating for Waze points by Irish Waze users and those primarily involved.

A startling surprise or two has been encountered. Naturally some very high point scorers, who show little editing activity on the Ireland map do come to the fore.

An in-depth report will be published when substantial findings and further analysis is completed.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby Agamicox » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:12 pm

Good luck :-)
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:14 am

Agamicox wrote:Good luck :-)


Thanks "Agamicox" :!: I know I will need it. :idea:

I also know I can conduct a successful investigation to determine facts. :shock:

International views on cheating for Waze Points would be welcome.

The PM feedback strongly indicates it is a big turn-off to genuine new editors to see some of the high scores that are attained. No balance. Motivation factor destroyed. A disdain for cheats. Nothing good comes from cheating.

I'm also pleased to note that many who have contacted are, like myself not in it for the points but for "the common good out there on the road".

Cheaters don't care one way or the other.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:20 pm

My investigations into cheating for Waze points in Ireland continue.

My aim is to out any Waze member suspected of engaging in less than honest means to game the system in order to clock up high points consistently and unfairly. This type of thing is destroying the initiative to recruit additional editors in Ireland simply because they feel left out and see no hope of ever catching up. I'm surprised by the number of PM's I've received from around the country stating this. Those that do take an interest are pointing in a single direction, with which I must concur.

I can state in the main that cheating unfairly for Waze points is centered around three sources in particular. All I will say now is that a transport/logistics company is the main suspect. They know themselves who they are but are probably unwilling to engage or to take any notice of this. I have communicated by PM but never received a response.

I will bide my time until I can categorically state for certain. When I have reasonable prime facie material I will publish it here.

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