Waze Cheating in Ireland.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:31 pm

I can guess where those fingers are pointing and I would also have to agree. It has been going on farrrrr too long without providing any real input to the map data other than forcing tile changes which aren't needed, which in turn cause higher server load, longer tile processing times, and generally spoil for everyone across the board.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby Agamicox » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:03 am

arthurohara wrote: <...> All I will say now is that a transport/logistics company is the main suspect. <...>

Just curious... What actions do they do to cheat?
I'm using Waze daily in my work and I am a Field Service Engineer. Not abusing Reports (often not even reporting at all, just letting Waze report traffic speed itself). Am I considered to be a bad person?

xteejx wrote: <... > without providing any real input to the map data other than forcing tile changes which aren't needed <...>

What is that exactly? Just to know if I am not doing this thing by mistake too.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:14 am

Making the tiniest of changes possible basically without actually *doing* anything, if that makes sense?

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:40 am

Agamicox wrote:
arthurohara wrote: <...> All I will say now is that a transport/logistics company is the main suspect. <...>

Just curious... What actions do they do to cheat?
I'm using Waze daily in my work and I am a Field Service Engineer. Not abusing Reports (often not even reporting at all, just letting Waze report traffic speed itself). Am I considered to be a bad person?

xteejx wrote: <... > without providing any real input to the map data other than forcing tile changes which aren't needed <...>

What is that exactly? Just to know if I am not doing this thing by mistake too.

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God No Agamicox, you are VERY OBVIOUSLY doing absolutely nothing wrong but everything right and most definitely not a bad person. I respectfully suggest you should have a go at editing too, if not already doing so.

I hasten to add I'm not saying anyone that cheats is a bad person either - no way, we all have some frailties.

In addition to what xteejx states
Making the tiniest of changes possible basically without actually *doing* anything, if that makes sense?
, could I add without actually doing anything to benefit the map and ultimately users.

There is also another element I will touch upon now whereby I suspect the user/s under notice send a second client device away with a truck driver on national and or international logistical deliveries while they sit back at work base in their IT job and carefully keep their personal client device quiet and out of use over the critical period. There is actual evidence of that. Perish the thought they might send one by arrangement via air transport. It would also appear a dedicated editor other than the user edits on their behalf.

I have taken all of this up with Waze separately. I expect they see that to allow cheating of any sort to continue can only prove detrimental to the overall project.

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby floppyrod84 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:00 pm

Exactly. This benefits no one and actually makes a worse product. As I say, those tiles that aren't changed probably aren't reprocessed until they're updated on WME. So to update them for no reason it causes a rebuild and higher server load, making it crap for everyone else.
These people need suspended or removed and banned for good.
Hard to imagine how some people have so little to do with their sad lives that points on a SatNav mean more than getting a job!

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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:05 am

Before publicly naming anyone suspected of cheating, the consequences of which I'm happy to accept, I'm openly asking what the stated position of Waze as an organization is on cheating for points and their attitude and views to obvious cheating that exists.

Some of the points generated weekly are simply not justifiable or achievable by editing and or driving or even arranging both 247.

Does Waze have a policy on cheaters and especially those that are reported to them as suspect? Does Waze condone cheating?

I personally do not wish to be associated with any organisation that condones or allows such activity!

I see far too many high ranking editors passing scant comment and accepting as is unfortunately, which really indicates - don't knock it!
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby stevedaly1 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:29 pm

Hi all. First time poster. I use Waze every weekday. Just started to get PMs regarding the subject of cheating. I don't know are the messages aimed at me or just a friendly note to let me know what is happening on the forum. I can do up to 400 miles a week as a domestic appliance repairman and I like to be active in reporting events on the road, such as traffic jams etc. I don't do much editing anymore as I found others had done a much better job than me. Just wondering what the full story is regarding the cheating as I noticed recently several members has disapeared off the Waze maps. By the way , even though I get PMs I can't see any actual message for me. Am I not searching properly? Thanks for reading , look forward to feedback.
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby stevedaly1 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:33 pm

Hi. Back again. Just figured out how to read messages. Dooh... Feel free to ignore my last posting :-)
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby YanisKyr » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:15 pm

Could it be that some users use the same logins in more than one device?
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Re: Waze Cheating in Ireland.

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:15 am

Hi,

No is the simple answer to your query "ikyriakidis".

Cheating can come in many guises.

Some of the cheap easy cheats are those that flit around a large area of the map re-editing segments where there is no reason for a re-edit. In many instances they leave damage behind - messing up alignment, turns, breaking connections, etc. You can see at a glance their work is careless and not up to scratch. A complete waste of space and of no benefit to Waze and more importantly Waze users. Some of these can easily be identified because they end up getting their name as an Updater on practically every segment. Editing where editing is not required and in a headlong rush to build up points. They will be quick to tell you baloney that they came across a problem! There are not problems on that many segments, especially the number of segments being re-edited, if you understand what I mean, so those types are easily identified. You never see them undertake intricate time-consuming assessment and editing tasks or generating new segments!

Then you have the geek types who can utilise scripts to generate short road segment/s automatically, save the newly generated segment/s, then after a relevant time-lapse delete the segment/s automatically and then automatically re-generate it again. This process can go on for hours generating miles and miles of bogus road segments and earning lots of points. You can look out for these type of things occurring on short road segment ends measuring 40-90 meters in length in cities where there is a large matting of GPS signals. Some just place a 30-50 meter segment which can re-generate at least three segments automatically.

Most of the big points earners engage in cheating. Some editors in some small countries have so many points earned they could have paved to Mars and back! Amazing!

I've been out of action for a time because of serious injuries sustained. Now I'm nearly back to full fettle again I'm going to devote more time to rooting out cheats. I'm a bit like a dog with a bone when it comes to cheating.

I would encourage new editors to become active throughout Ireland. Go through the tutorials, become familiar with the Wiki and ask questions in the Forum if need be. You will always receive some level of help to get you started. My harping on about cheating is aimed at mature editors who should know better, so don't be worried that you might be doing something wrong at any time. We all had to learn so expect to make mistakes. WE know enough to identify genuine editors.
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