Chains/Places Harmonisation

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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:30 pm

Tesco have "grades" for their shops (express, metro, superstore, extra).

My suggestion on this chain is to use Tesco [grade]/Tesco [store-name]/https://tesco.ie
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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:02 pm

Great idea with the Google Sheets. I created the file, linked it in the first post as read-only for now, and also included columns for Categories, Type, and Lock. I wasn't aware we can embed them in Wazeopedia and that's great news because tables in the forum and Wazeopedia are rather hard to manage.

Submissions at the moment in this post; if the feedback is overwhelming we'll consider a form.
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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:41 pm

Kevintiobraid wrote:My own preference is only to have the type of store for supermarkets, e.g. Tesco Metro or just Supervalu, rather than the town or location name as well. It gets a bit unwieldy otherwise. The street and town will always appear in the search results, as seen in Yanis's screenshot, so you will have reassurance that you are going to the right one. Tesco Metro Ashbourne could be an alternative name.

The locality might be useful if there are more than one places in the same town, or if the road name is blank and the town isn't adding much info either.

davidg666 wrote:One thing I need to check out (to firm up my opinion) is what Carplay shows in search results - it might not be as useful as what's shown on the phone. I'll check at the weekend and report back...

It would be interesting to see how Android Auto shows stuff. I've never ever used it myself, haven't even seen it in action.

davidg666 wrote:About the spreadsheet: Yanis, can you enable suggestions? The chain name for Aldi is "Aldi", not "ALDI".

Actual chain name for Aldi is ALDI - that's how they call themselves. Not sure I get you here.

On the suggestions, do you not think this thread is enough for now?

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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:32 pm

@John I saw your request for comments on the spreadsheet and changed the settings of the link in post #1 to allow comments for all.

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johnsninja58 wrote:Looking at Tesco (Similar case where the logo is all caps but in text they refer to themselves as Tesco on their website). I am not familiar with the different brands of Tesco stores. Quickly looking at their website reveals many types, but when I look at their store fronts they seam to have little differences.

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But if I search for a place I will see that it is Ashbourne or other with the visible address, do we need to include the name?


All Tescos are owned by the same company (no franchising) so the only difference is size which comes with products availability, car park size (or presence), etc. The "grades" express, metro, superstore, extra, and I coincidentally realised the one you linked was missing so I added that.

As a sidenote, we're naming the first segment of large parking lots, and for POIs in a shopping centre like the above this could be added as the address. Making this particular example look like this:
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johnsninja58 wrote:However I know with my recent travels I stayed at a Maldron Hotel in Dublin and this does become quickly confusing on which one to is the correct one

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Maldon @ the Airport - Might benefit from including in the name Dublin Airport?
Maldron elsewhere in Dublin

Which actually brings up my first suggested place
Maldron Hotels - Name: Maldron Hotels - (Location Name), Category: Hotel, A/P: Area Place, Website: https://www.maldronhotels.com/

Interesting view from a visitor's eyes. We would rarely have a hotel in Dublin as our destination so thanks for the input.

For the Dublin Airport one, it's visible in the address (as a city). Wouldn't that be sufficient for the search results?
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That said, it's probably better to add location names for hotels in general. I'll add your suggestion in to the list. Just one thing on the URL I find them easier to the eye as short as possible so I'd suggest to go with https://maldronhotels.com. Any thoughts?
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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:38 am

davidg666 wrote:
YanisKyr wrote:
davidg666 wrote:One thing I need to check out (to firm up my opinion) is what Carplay shows in search results - it might not be as useful as what's shown on the phone. I'll check at the weekend and report back...

It would be interesting to see how Android Auto shows stuff. I've never ever used it myself, haven't even seen it in action.

When I searched for "Tesco Ashbourne" with Waze running in Carplay I got two results: the one in Ashbourne, and the one in Wicklow town (which is weird, because it's certainly not the closest Tesco to me). I tried to take a screenshot, but a combination of not being able to remember the buttons to press for a screenshot and knocking the USB cable (and disconnecting the phone from the car) put paid to that.

I'm starting to lean strongly in favour of having the location name as part of the primary Place name.

It's might be a bit confusing what Android Auto did there. Maybe it's suggesting local matches because it assumes you're ready to drive (because you're in a car).

One more thing to consider, is that if we add the locality we'll end up with towns looking like a canvas of their own name - Ashbourne Garda, Tesco Ashbourne, Lidl Ashbourne, Aldi Ashbourne, Dunnes Ashbourne etc. The town name will repeat multiple times in the app when the only useful element is the brand.

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YanisKyr wrote:
davidg666 wrote:About the spreadsheet: Yanis, can you enable suggestions? The chain name for Aldi is "Aldi", not "ALDI".

Actual chain name for Aldi is ALDI - that's how they call themselves. Not sure I get you here.

The name in the logo appears in all caps, yes, but it originated as a an abbreviation (not an acronym, so no need to capitalise) of "Albrecht Diskont".

On their Irish website, their name appears almost always just as "Aldi", and the company name is "Aldi stored (Ireland) Limited". Showing it in capitals just looks wrong to me.

The UK site uses "Aldi" too, but the Germans sites for both Aldi Süd (the version we have in Ireland) and Aldi Nord use "ALDI". The US and Australian sites (those countries also both have Aldi Süd) use "ALDI".

In my opinion we should use the formatting the local (Irish) company uses: "Aldi".

I agree with you on the Waze POI name.

We should probably take a minute and clarify the "Actual chain name" column in general. I believe this column should show how a place appears on their logo (as it's identifiable by the people). There are many examples where chains have their logo in all UPPER or all lower case, but use Proper Case in text. We're aiming to use Proper Case in the "Waze POI name" column.
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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:00 pm

I've added a few more to the spreadsheet btw. Everything is under review, no pressure :)
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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:46 am

A couple more things I realised while reviewing how items look in the search results that show as you type (before hitting enter):

- if Google POIs are linked as external providers, only the Waze POI will appear
- when a POI is inside a shopping centre or a retail park, it's street address should be the shopping centre. We usually have the entry parking lot roads named as such so it's already there.

@David, did you get a chance to test Android Auto more?
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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:12 pm

Carplay, I have to remind myself that some people don't use Android :D

As I've harmonised a few places around me for the sake of testing, I'm thinking the primary name might be more important in search results than visually in the app. And there's loads of space vacant (at least on my screen).

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Re: Chains/Places Harmonisation

Postby YanisKyr » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:35 pm

I'm aligned with you on the naming so I've adjusted the spreadsheet accordingly.

For the type, I agree that most venues should be points, so I'll add another entry to the list "Depends*"
*=Point by default, but can be Area if the store is large and standalone (not in a shopping/retail park).

The only outstanding bit in the file at the moment is the category for the likes of Mr Price/Dealz/Choice who. Convenience store isn't an exact match, but I thought that might be the closest possible.
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