Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

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Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:40 pm

Yes, unknown to the Irish planning authorities and many of us who should know better, the beautiful Town of Moylough in the equally picturesque County of Galway in western Ireland has become one of the largest Cities in Ireland. An Bord Pleanala http://www.pleanala.ie/ eat your heart out!

However it will soon be gone from view on the Waze map in Live View (zoomed well out) and in Editing view https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-8.55775&lat=53.48662&zoom=1&layers=495&segments=206677650&env=row with Cities layers turned on.

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:36 pm

arthurohara wrote:Yes, unknown to the Irish planning authorities and many of us who should know better, the beautiful Town of Moylough in the equally picturesque County of Galway in western Ireland has become one of the largest Cities in Ireland. An Bord Pleanala http://www.pleanala.ie/ eat your heart out!

However it will soon be gone from view on the Waze map in Live View (zoomed well out) and in Editing view https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-8.55775&lat=53.48662&zoom=1&layers=495&segments=206677650&env=row with Cities layers turned on.

Impressive! :) I cleaned up a few like that in south Clare a couple of months ago.

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:38 pm

Hi David,
Any ideas on how we can get Dublin noted. See same in London and most main cities in UK.
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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:50 pm

arthurohara wrote:Any ideas on how we can get Dublin noted. See same in London and most main cities in UK.

Good question - the short answer is that I don't really know. Limerick, Waterford and Ennis all show up fine on the Live Map, but Kilkenny (for example) doesn't. I notice that the footprint of Ennis in the editor is far larger than the town itself, however. I speculate that any area physically large enough where all the road segments have the same city name will show up - but our larger cities are divided into suburbs (as I think they should be).

I think in New Zealand they've experimented in Auckland with having suburbs AND having the overall city name on very major roads. I'm not sure how well that's worked out.

I wonder (still speculating... :) ) if we just made the segments of the M50 have "Dublin" for a city name whether that would work for us. The risk there is that we'd have a big "city" that overlaps all the suburbs, so I'm not sure how it'd work. I'm also not sure if that would confuse traffic reports that currently say useful things like "between Clondalkin and Ballymount". If they start saying "between Dublin and Dublin" then they might become useless.

How about an experiment: let's give "Dublin" as the city name to the M50 segments and wait for a map tile update and then see how it looks? If it doesn't work well, we can undo the change - most M50 segments should have no city name set at the moment.

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby CTCNetwork » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:03 pm

Hi,

In the Uk some people are (still) waiting for that promised County field. With that then implemented those cities that have various notable suburbs can have a county location created for it. This should then allow the city to show when zoomed out and the city centre and suburbs show when zoomed in. This, in theory is what should be happening to Nottingham and Derby. Zoom out of the Uk and you'll see Leicester and Northampton wuite clearly showing up but not Notts or Derby!.

With London it was decided that as it was so large, using suburb (London) or similar was ineffective as most people don't actually go to "London" but somewhere in London (Wood Green, Putney and so on). The actual "City of London" is quite a small area bang in the middle. So "London" have been mapped by the suburbs..

Dublin: is it worth considering naming the suburbs adding (Dublin) for non unique areas and defining the centre of the city as "Dublin"?
You could also name all main "Minor" roads in Dublin as "Dublin" and ignore the suburb for these main roads. That will leave your suburbs named correctly and the city creep will cover the whole area as Dublin.. ?

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:22 pm

Hi Des,
CTCNetwork wrote:In the Uk some people are (still) waiting for that promised County field. With that then implemented those cities that have various notable suburbs can have a county location created for it. This should then allow the city to show when zoomed out and the city centre and suburbs show when zoomed in.

I'm not holding my breath, although this would certainly come in very handy! I somehow doubt - when a city name is the same as the name of the county it's in - that it would be shown in the middle of such a city. We may be lucky though!

It would certainly be nice to be able to designate an area (or a set of suburbs) as all belonging to a greater city. More wishful thinking...

CTCNetwork wrote:Dublin: is it worth considering naming the suburbs adding (Dublin) for non unique areas and defining the centre of the city as "Dublin"?
You could also name all main "Minor" roads in Dublin as "Dublin" and ignore the suburb for these main roads. That will leave your suburbs named correctly and the city creep will cover the whole area as Dublin.. ?

I certainly wouldn't like to add " (Dublin)" to suburb names in Dublin - I think the map would look very cluttered with lots of "XXX (Dublin)" floating around the place. So far we've managed not to have any non-unique suburbs in Dublin - probably because they all got named before other places with the same name elsewhere (there's a Blackrock in Dublin, and also one in Cork and (I think) one in Louth too).

The very centre of the city is already named "Dublin 1" (north of the river) and "Dublin 2" (south of the river. There are also a couple of road segments just named "Dublin" on O'Connell Street, so that somebody trying to navigate to "Dublin" will be taken to the exact centre (more or less). The "1" and "2" (which are postal district numbers) will become obsolete whenever we get postcodes (something that has been coming for years, so no holding of breaths there either!) so possibly we could merge both of them into "Dublin". Some people like to add postal district numbers (instead of suburb names) to other parts of the city. I'm not really in favour of this myself, but there's a variety of opinions.

Dublin's a lot smaller than London, and has a fairly small well-defined centre, so it's probably reasonable for people to want to navigate to it. We'd certainly like it to appear on the map properly (which, I guess, is what we're talking about here).

Renaming all the minor R- roads would be quite a big job - do you think naming the M50 would be enough to create a city called "Dublin" that shows up on maps?

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby CTCNetwork » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:33 pm

Hi,

It would be worth a test to see if it would work. Does the M50 correctly (and completely) encompass Dublin? Are there other roads that you'd need to name to completely circle the city?

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I must admit that I am not happy with the results we have in Nottingham. Whilst the area is mapped pretty much correctly (bar some over-entheusiastic editors work!) the end result means the city is "lost" when zoomed out!

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:39 pm

CTCNetwork wrote:It would be worth a test to see if it would work. Does the M50 correctly (and completely) encompass Dublin? Are there other roads that you'd need to name to completely circle the city?

I must admit that I am not happy with the results we have in Nottingham. Whilst the area is mapped pretty much correctly (bar some over-entheusiastic editors work!) the end result means the city is "lost" when zoomed out!

Did you try something similar in Nottingham?

Anyway, yes: I'm tempted to try using the M50 for a test. It doesn't completely encircle Dublin; as your screenshot from Bing shows (aside from the fact that Bing is more than two years out of date: most N-roads no longer go inside the M50...) the M50 is C-shaped, so we'd end up with a "city" shaped like a back-to-front 'D'.

I'll update the M50 segments shortly for the experiment; should be easy to undo if we decide it's pointless. Let's see how it looks after the next tile update...

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:42 pm

Don't think M50 idea would work. Would throw up non-intended issues.
I see as aesthetics, for now as to whether or not cities are visible as long as proper routing is available and correct. I'm sure it will be addressed by Waze.

I highlighted Moylough in a jovial way as a tutorial indicator to new editors as to how a simple error can have a gigantic effect.

I've come across a few smaller ones. Doesn't take much to put them right.


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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:45 pm

arthurohara wrote:Don't think M50 idea would work. Would throw up non-intended issues.

Well are you OK with trying it out? We can undo it as quickly as we can do it if it doesn't work or causes mayhem. I'm in the middle of making the change (haven't hit save yet).

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