Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

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Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:40 pm

Yes, unknown to the Irish planning authorities and many of us who should know better, the beautiful Town of Moylough in the equally picturesque County of Galway in western Ireland has become one of the largest Cities in Ireland. An Bord Pleanala http://www.pleanala.ie/ eat your heart out!

However it will soon be gone from view on the Waze map in Live View (zoomed well out) and in Editing view https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-8.55775&lat=53.48662&zoom=1&layers=495&segments=206677650&env=row with Cities layers turned on.

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:38 pm

Hi David,
Any ideas on how we can get Dublin noted. See same in London and most main cities in UK.
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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:42 pm

Don't think M50 idea would work. Would throw up non-intended issues.
I see as aesthetics, for now as to whether or not cities are visible as long as proper routing is available and correct. I'm sure it will be addressed by Waze.

I highlighted Moylough in a jovial way as a tutorial indicator to new editors as to how a simple error can have a gigantic effect.

I've come across a few smaller ones. Doesn't take much to put them right.


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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:48 pm

It should prove interesting and indeed maybe give us all a Eureka outcome. While you're at it David I think parts of the M50 need widening again. Lol.


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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby arthurohara » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:59 pm

Wish Dublin and Fingal County Council could work as fast. Going to prove interesting.


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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby CTCNetwork » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:03 pm

Hi,

In the Uk some people are (still) waiting for that promised County field. With that then implemented those cities that have various notable suburbs can have a county location created for it. This should then allow the city to show when zoomed out and the city centre and suburbs show when zoomed in. This, in theory is what should be happening to Nottingham and Derby. Zoom out of the Uk and you'll see Leicester and Northampton wuite clearly showing up but not Notts or Derby!.

With London it was decided that as it was so large, using suburb (London) or similar was ineffective as most people don't actually go to "London" but somewhere in London (Wood Green, Putney and so on). The actual "City of London" is quite a small area bang in the middle. So "London" have been mapped by the suburbs..

Dublin: is it worth considering naming the suburbs adding (Dublin) for non unique areas and defining the centre of the city as "Dublin"?
You could also name all main "Minor" roads in Dublin as "Dublin" and ignore the suburb for these main roads. That will leave your suburbs named correctly and the city creep will cover the whole area as Dublin.. ?

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby CTCNetwork » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:33 pm

Hi,

It would be worth a test to see if it would work. Does the M50 correctly (and completely) encompass Dublin? Are there other roads that you'd need to name to completely circle the city?

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I must admit that I am not happy with the results we have in Nottingham. Whilst the area is mapped pretty much correctly (bar some over-entheusiastic editors work!) the end result means the city is "lost" when zoomed out!

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby CTCNetwork » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:50 pm

Hi,

Didn't try anything similar in Nottingham. But I am contemplating something else (I need to refer to someone local first for opinions).

I believe that ringing a city with correctly named city fields was tested in some European country but forget the details. It seemed to work.
The other idea is to name everything "Dublin" and then have a few roads named as per the suburb name in the centre point of the area/suburb. That would allow Dublin to show at most zooms and then the general location of the 'burb will show on closer zoom levels.
But that is even more work!

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:36 pm

arthurohara wrote:Yes, unknown to the Irish planning authorities and many of us who should know better, the beautiful Town of Moylough in the equally picturesque County of Galway in western Ireland has become one of the largest Cities in Ireland. An Bord Pleanala http://www.pleanala.ie/ eat your heart out!

However it will soon be gone from view on the Waze map in Live View (zoomed well out) and in Editing view https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-8.55775&lat=53.48662&zoom=1&layers=495&segments=206677650&env=row with Cities layers turned on.

Impressive! :) I cleaned up a few like that in south Clare a couple of months ago.

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Re: Moylough, Co. Galway - A Very BIG City in Ireland! ???

Postby davidg666 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:50 pm

arthurohara wrote:Any ideas on how we can get Dublin noted. See same in London and most main cities in UK.

Good question - the short answer is that I don't really know. Limerick, Waterford and Ennis all show up fine on the Live Map, but Kilkenny (for example) doesn't. I notice that the footprint of Ennis in the editor is far larger than the town itself, however. I speculate that any area physically large enough where all the road segments have the same city name will show up - but our larger cities are divided into suburbs (as I think they should be).

I think in New Zealand they've experimented in Auckland with having suburbs AND having the overall city name on very major roads. I'm not sure how well that's worked out.

I wonder (still speculating... :) ) if we just made the segments of the M50 have "Dublin" for a city name whether that would work for us. The risk there is that we'd have a big "city" that overlaps all the suburbs, so I'm not sure how it'd work. I'm also not sure if that would confuse traffic reports that currently say useful things like "between Clondalkin and Ballymount". If they start saying "between Dublin and Dublin" then they might become useless.

How about an experiment: let's give "Dublin" as the city name to the M50 segments and wait for a map tile update and then see how it looks? If it doesn't work well, we can undo the change - most M50 segments should have no city name set at the moment.

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