Fastest/shortest route option

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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby PiterMurdock » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:35 pm

I too am having the same issue. It's kinda hard to see which route is the best given I work as Uber driver, and can't stop to choose some of the given options when driving to unknown destinations. Please help
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby Nazride » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:53 pm

Bad news

Too bad to delete an option, it diminishes the interest in waze

Is this option "expensive" to maintain for waze ?
As it existed it was enough to keep it and no longer make evolution, I suspect waze simplify the routing calculation to lighten the load on servers
In addition it seems much simpler to calculate a route to the shortest without taking into account the traffic, rather than calculate a fastest route.

I used this option for several reasons
- to take tourist routes outside the major axes
- with my vintage car I preferred to do less kilometers on the roads quieter than the main roads
- as a editor when I had the time it allowed me to go to roads with very little traffic on which I detected some errors

These alternative path had the advantage of relieving the "wazer highways", now everyone will have more or less the same route and will go through the same roads, which will strengthen the bad reputation of waze particularly in residential areas.

As these main roads will be used a lot, their use will become more and more privileged by waze, the small roads will become neglected.
I already see this effect the non-primary roads are ignored by waze while it would relieve the main roads. To me waze guidance becomes less and less intelligent.

When I will need a shortest route, I will leave waze for another application that will have this option, there are many free applications that will do the trick because in this case the traffic info is not important.

Regarding the numbers (which is not the center of the problem)
How many journeys are calculated per waze over 24 hours ?
1% of this number is equal to ? 100,000 ? / 1 million ? / 10 millions ? ...

I know that my post will not help much because the waze staff does not take into account this forum but you never know ...
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby JeremyChewDino » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:10 am

Kinda sad top see this feature disappear. Found it particularly useful when i take uber & grab in Malaysioa when i'd prefer the shortest route for the cheapest fare. Nowadays I use Uber & Grab coupons to get discounts instead.
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby jebby7 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:12 am

OK, I didn't know that. It's a shame, but I guess Waze is getting less usable with every update. Not to mention those annoying large pop-up adverts.
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby jebby7 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:39 pm

I have a route I use regularly and have Waze running for route info delays, like roadworks, etc. I used to be able to pick the shortest route and now Waze only gives me three different longer routes.
As can be seen from the screenshot the fastest is 2 hours 44 and 105 miles. The (shortest) route I normally take is no longer even offered. BUT, Google Maps still shows it (98 miles ; 2 hours 26).
If Google run Waze these days, why can't I get the same route offered on Waze?
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby JB-ES » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:28 am

Not being able to choose the shortest route over the quickest has absolutely crippled Waze. It's now basically unusable.

If I am in a big city and am not bothered if I have to wait 4 extra minutes rather than driving 20km extra in a huge semicircle through difficult and often impassable small streets I am now not able to choose. The logic behind the routes suggested is 99.9% of the time ludicrous. This has now happened more times than I can recall and I have absolutely had enough if it.

I have actually wasted *hours* being sent around in circles because of the nonsense time saving that simply doesn't work. I will not be using Waze any more for navigation before this is addressed.
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby iamdeji » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:35 am

Same here. I observed that option was removed after an update. I wish they left the option.
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby iainhouse » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:55 pm

jebby7 wrote:If Google run Waze these days, why can't I get the same route offered on Waze?

Whilst Google own Waze, they don't run it. There is some data sharing between the two companies, but Google Maps are not Waze maps and the routing engine used by Google is not the routing engine used by Waze.
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby iainhouse » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:29 pm

edmundhill685 wrote:Also, what is "1%" of Waze users? I reckon that's a lot of people!


iainhouse wrote:. . . I'm sure it was well below 1%.

Honestly, I do not remember what the actual figure was, hence my vague statement. What I can say with confidence is that the figure I heard was so low that it seemed completely reasonable to me that they should stop supporting an option that was being used by a very small minority.

In that way, it is very similar to the number of map colour schemes in the app. There used to be about 10 different colour schemes available and a couple of years ago, Waze got rid of all but 2. Anyone who has made their way to the forums here can probably be counted as an "experienced" Waze user. As such, many of us used different colour schemes, some even working out ways to customise them and we all complained when the app schemes were cut down to just 2.

But we (the forum users) are, in reality, a tiny minority of the Waze user base. Things that we care about deeply are often completely unnoticed by the vast majority of users.
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Re: Fastest/shortest route option

Postby iainhouse » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:50 pm

As I recall from one of the Waze meetups earlier this year, staff explained that an extremely small percentage of users ever chose the "shortest" option in the app. I can't remember what the figure was, but I'm sure it was well below 1%.

On the couple of occasions in the past when I have accidentally chosen "shortest", it has been immediately obvious there is a problem as Waze took me on a crazy zig-zag route with a multitude of junctions to negotiate.

I understand range-anxiety is fundamental to the users of electric vehicles. But unless your vehicle is incredibly efficient at harvesting braking energy, then a Waze shortest route would be unlikely to help you much as the constant stopping and starting at junctions probably wastes a great deal of power. And for a conventional fossil-fuel vehicle, the shortest route is very likely to use more fuel.

Another reason for making the change is that - simply speaking - Waze has never offered a "fastest" route. Waze routing has always taken into account factors other than just time/speed. To some extent, Waze favours "smooth" routes - where there are fewer junctions and changes of road types.

It also has some preference for more predictable routes - routes where there is more speed data available or the data shows less variability in the history. The reason for that is simply confidence: if Waze regularly offered you a 1 hour route, but that route often takes 50 minute or 1½ hours, you wouldn't be impressed. But if it regularly offers you a 1 hour 10 minute route that always takes that long, you would have a much better chance of arriving when you expect.

So that's why "shortest" route is gone. It probably also means that the app no longer has to say "fastest" route when it isn't really. There are plenty of posts in the forum from users who see times where the chosen route isn't the fastest route available. The app can't really say "best" route because different people might have a different interpretation of what "best" means. It's not possible to explain (in detail, as I've done here) why Waze chooses routes in the app - and only a tiny fraction of Waze users will ever visit the forum to see such an explanation.

That's not to say that there couldn't be changes made to the routing algorithms to accommodate electric vehicles. They definitely don't have the same needs as a conventional car. But I don't think the old "fastest" route was really suitable. As use of electric vehicles is only going to increase, I hope such considerations will lead to changes in the routing servers.
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