Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby failsafe » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:45 pm

Received and replied-to. In essence, between seeing third parties reporting credit prices, people mistakenly reporting things like with-a-car-wash huge discounted prices for gas, and Waze not responding to the query via the support link, AND my personal belief that the best apples-to-apples comparison between stations was the undiscounted credit prices, I changed the wiki.

Apologies if I stepped on any toes; I figured if it was an issue, someone would have changed it back. I stated my reason for the change in the wiki; that Waze was using a third-party service that was replacing the cash prices I had be inputting (against my better judgement) with credit. And it's a wiki.

I won't be touching the wiki again; I told Andy to change it back if he had to, but made the suggestion that he and the Waze Champs take a good, hard look at the data before deciding to go back to cash prices in the US.

If they do change it back, I'll both stop reporting anything for a place with a cash price, and stop using the feature myself as a user, because I won't trust the data even more than now.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:26 am

xplorer7 wrote:According to the wiki, it is the credit price which should be entered:

Note: Waze only tracks a single price for each fuel grade. If a station offers a different price for cash or credit, the credit price is the recommended one to enter. The reason is for consistency among all Wazers and most people know the credit price is higher by a typical amount (when not the same as cash). In addition, the 3rd-Party pricing that Waze gets for some stations is the credit price. Entering the cash price only creates an inconsistency.

This is the revision that changed the wording from Cash to Credit: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gas_Stations&diff=prev&oldid=30014
dated Dec 28, 2012 by Failsafe. I'll PM them and see what is going on.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby xplorer7 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:31 am

According to the wiki, it is the credit price which should be entered:

Note: Waze only tracks a single price for each fuel grade. If a station offers a different price for cash or credit, the credit price is the recommended one to enter. The reason is for consistency among all Wazers and most people know the credit price is higher by a typical amount (when not the same as cash). In addition, the 3rd-Party pricing that Waze gets for some stations is the credit price. Entering the cash price only creates an inconsistency.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby Daknife » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:36 am

Gas diluted with cheap booze (aka ethanol). Supposedly saving the environment even though you have to burn more of it to get the same distance and power.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby PDXMadDog » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:57 pm

"Drunk" gas. What is that?
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby bgodette » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:34 pm

foxitrot wrote:
bgodette wrote:Just go on believing that the costs of doing business aren't passed on to consumers.

Sure they are :smile: More on the cash ones, partially on the credit ones. Just as you've said, in a different context:
bgodette wrote:... the price is inflated to cover those fees. IOW passed on to the consumer by being hidden in the price.
The point being, in some parts of world, the price is less for cash and the difference is the CC fees.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby foxitrot » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:24 pm

bgodette wrote:Just go on believing that the costs of doing business aren't passed on to consumers.

Sure they are :smile: More on the cash ones, partially on the credit ones. Just as you've said, in a different context:
bgodette wrote:... the price is inflated to cover those fees. IOW passed on to the consumer by being hidden in the price.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby dmcconachie » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:03 am

bgodette wrote:
dmcconachie wrote:10-15%? Not a chance.
Cash vs credit prices and adding sales tax at the till rather than on the ticket? Pain in the ass! I'd rather just know what I see is what I'm paying!
No sales tax on fuel, it's already included. There is however the merchant fees per transaction and percentage of transaction, the price is inflated to cover those fees. IOW passed on to the consumer by being hidden in the price.

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I meant sales tax in general rather than on fuel in particular. And of course overheads are built into the price.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby bgodette » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:00 am

dmcconachie wrote:10-15%? Not a chance.
Cash vs credit prices and adding sales tax at the till rather than on the ticket? Pain in the ass! I'd rather just know what I see is what I'm paying!
No sales tax on fuel, it's already included. There is however the merchant fees per transaction and percentage of transaction, the price is inflated to cover those fees. IOW passed on to the consumer by being hidden in the price.

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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby bgodette » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:54 am

davipt wrote:
bgodette wrote:
dmcconachie wrote:Nobody is speaking for the US, most of the US Champs were in agreement that it should be cash which is the true price.

Frankly I think you should catch up with the rest of the world and have no difference between cash and credit!
So you don't think retailers should offer their product to customers willing to pay cash at the true price the retailer gets after the credit card companies take their 10-15% from the sale?


The difference is that on the rest of the world the credit card tax is a burden on the seller's side, not pushed up into the client like in the US.
Just go on believing that the costs of doing business aren't passed on to consumers.

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