Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby ratmice » Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:40 pm

AndyPoms wrote:
ratmice wrote:This assumes that the credit price increase is equal across the board, which it seems to be in my area.


It isn't.... and CT, the legal price of gas is the Credit Price & retailers are allowed to offer (at their own discretion) a discount for cash, and that varies from station to station...


I didn't mean across the board, like every station has the same offset, but that the offset is the same for all grades at each station :roll: So, for EACH STATION, if there is a .09 "penalty" for using credit, then all you would have to do is update the prices, make sure the offset is correct, adjust if necessary, and go on your way.

If there is a different offset for different grades, then it's not as straightforward. However, a simple convention to choose the higher, or lower if you prefer, offset, will get you within pennies of the correct amount.

Sorry, can't do anything about your problem in CT where the credit price is the "legal" price, but it doesn't really matter as long as both prices are displayed in Waze, does it?.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby ratmice » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:44 pm

AndyPoms wrote:The offset can also vary at an individual station... When they first passed the law, most stations went to a 10 cent discount... Now that discount is between 4 & 9 cents at most stations, and some stations change the discount based on the price of gas...


So you're saying that if the credit price for regular is 3.89, and the cash "discount" price is 3.80 (diff of .09) then it's possible that for premium with a credit price of 4.04, the cash discount price could be 3.94 (diff of 0.10)? I've never seen that, I'll have to look for it.

Even so, as I mentioned before, you could choose an "average" offset and still be within pennies (even on the total transaction). Thus, you can have all prices reflected in Waze, and be pretty spot-on, too. Choose the highest offset, if you want, to be pleasantly surprised, when it's a few cents less.

p.s. Nothing is perfect, but I see this as a (baby) step in the right direction.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby ratmice » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:06 pm

mapcat wrote:IMO it's pointless to attempt to keep track of every possible price for every product at the station. Since cash price seems to be the popular choice, how about a checkbox that points out that the credit price is higher? How much higher shouldn't be that important; it would just warn people that there are different prices.

How we would get "3rd party" to obey any of these guidelines is beyond me.


If there's an easy way to do it why not? It would be automatically calculated by the app and the user verified offset. All we need is the 3rd party to populate one set of prices, the other can be calculated.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby shage13 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:37 am

you would almost need to sep by state then since some states only use one price i think its state regulated, ohio is one i know for sure is one price
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby SHankItUpGolf » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:06 pm

With everyone referencing what GasBuddy does... I distinctly remember the GasBuddy FAQ formerly stating (within the past year) that you should report the credit/debit price and add in the comments if there is a cash discount since most people use cards. I'm guessing they changed this since to get more uniformity since many people report the prices driving down the road based on the sign which often has only the lower cash price.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby Spil » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:16 am

imper1um wrote:I would report the higher of the two (whichever it is). The thing is that people will like it if gas is less, but will hate it if gas is more.
kbirger wrote:It should be the higher of the two prices. Posting the lower (cash, usually) price could mislead some people. If you go based on the higher price, then you're at least no worse off.

I agree ... we do have one station in my area that has a higher credit-card price for diesel only, and it's a truck stop right by the interstate. My reasonable assumption in today's society is that trucking companies generally give their long-haul drivers a card instead of a few thousand in cash for gas at the start of their trips (I could be wrong about this, but it seems logical to me, at least). At any rate, I would rather have someone overjoyed at getting to pay $.06/gallon less than what Waze told him than to have someone furious at having to pay $.06/gallon more than what Waze said the price would be. ;)
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Re: Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby Spil » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:49 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
bgodette wrote:I'm surprised Alan hasn't mentioned anything about tipping your gas station attendant. :lol:

I'm sure there's a good reason you brought this up, but I can't remember the situation. :)

Yes, I have tipped at a gas station on numerous occasions. :mrgreen:

"Gas station attendant"? They still have those out your way? :lol: Seriously, there is only one full-serve station that I know of within a 50-mile radius of my home -- every other station is self-serve. Oddly enough, that one full-serve station usually has the lowest price in the area too ... so it gets a lot of my business, especially when I'm in a hurry (or in winter, when I don't really want to get out of the van until I reach my destination :D).

I know that there are states (NJ comes to mind as an example, although it may have changed since I was last there) where the government has decided that its citizens are either too careless or too dumb to pump their own gas, and has passed legislation requiring all stations to be full-serve.

[tongue-in-cheek] On the full/self issue ... that could bring up another lengthy discussion ;) -- I remember in the past seeing stations that had full-serve and self-serve pumps, and the self-serve cost less than the full-serve. So why not make 4 price fields per grade per station (full/cash, full/credit, self/cash, self/credit)? And why only 4 grades? Some stations in my area have 7 grades (86, 87, 89, 91, 93, diesel, kerosene) -- why slight them with only 4 grades? [/tongue-in-cheek] :roll: :lol:
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Re: Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby Spil » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:31 am

failsafe wrote:... All but once, I've seen credit prices when I see "reported by 3rd party."

All but twice, I've only seen inaccurate and/or missing prices when I see "reported by 3rd party".
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby swhaze » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:07 pm

kbirger wrote:It should be the higher of the two prices. Posting the lower (cash, usually) price could mislead some people. If you go based on the higher price, then you're at least no worse off.


I agree. I would rather be pleasantly surprised that the cash price was lower!
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby Unholy » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:58 am

Hi guys and gals,

We will add a note the "update gas price menu" that it should be cash only.
I'm not sure we'll be able to add it to our next release, but it will be added to one of the next releases.


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