Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:08 pm

daknife wrote:One more point against cash prices. The majority of drivers today pay at the pump.


And many of the people paying at the pump are paying with debit cards which therefore pay the cash price.

daknife wrote:Say what you will I will be reporting credit price, for that matter that's the price I report to Gas Buddy as well. It does not make sense to report the false lower price, unless there is an option to specify the fact that there is a price difference for carrying dangerous amounts of cash.


Why would you do that when they specifically ask their users to use the cash price? You are ruining the experience for everyone else who is following the proper procedure.

So if you ignore 1-way street signs when you are driving does that mean you map the roads on the Waze Map as 2-way since that's how you drive?
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:27 pm

mapcat wrote:Standards are standards, as long as everyone's following them. Unfortunately, not all gas stations follow a standard.

Some display the cash price.
Some display the cash price and the credit price.
Some display the price you pay if you use their proprietary credit card.
Some display the price for anyone with a store discount card.
Some display the price you pay if you buy a car wash too.
Etc.

And naturally, practices vary state by state, city by city.


Yes, it can be confusing.

But for the purposes of stations that display only one price per grade, that is going to be the price that gets entered regardless of what you need to do to get that price.

For stations that display both a cash price and the credit price, enter the cash price.

Easy enough?
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:47 pm

AndyPoms wrote:Debit Card users pay the Credit price, not the Cash price.


Not necessarily everywhere in the USA. Surely different by state. Here at Arco (owned by BP) in California debit cards are the cash price plus a $.35 fee. There is no way this fee can be accounted for when using an application to track gas prices. The end users need to know that if they go to Arco and pay with debit they are going to pay this fee.

http://www.arco.com/sectiongenericartic ... Id=7023062
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:52 pm

AndyPoms wrote:On another note, the "legal" price for gas in Connecticut is the CREDIT price. Retailers are allowed to give a discount for paying Cash, but it is up to the individual gas station - IF they participate they must post BOTH prices on the pumps.


The issue here is that Waze is certainly not going to provide guidance for which price to use in different states (they won't provide any guidance as it is). We should have a country-wide standard if we expect to be able to get useful information out of the data - like finding the lowest priced gasoline or diesel independent of additional fees.

But it's obvious from the posts here that the data is not going to be accurate since everyone will be doing as they wish. So the feature is useless for comparing prices.

Really I don't think Waze even cares. This is just them providing a feature to get you to go to their advertisers to purchase gas. They don't care about the quality of the data.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:10 pm

AndyPoms wrote:I think the simplest solution is to provide a Cash Price and a Credit Price in the app.


Although then it's up to 8 fields of data to verify and maintain for many stations. I think that the other solutions that do only gas price tracking have stayed away from doing so because it over complicates the data entry. I don't use this applications frequently but the 2 or 3 that I have tried do not offer separate fields for cash and credit prices. Some offer an optional comments field though.

Maybe a cash and credit checkbox on the entry screen that is optional? That way when Wazers are searching for the lowest gas price they can at least know if the prices that are being displayed are the cash or credit prices. In places where the prices are not separate, the Wazer would not check either box when updating the prices. Too complicated?
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Re: Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:44 pm

mapcat wrote:What do these people do when they leave the state?!


They leave? :lol:
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:46 pm

All this nonsense about cash, credit, full serve, self serve, hot dogs etc is why this should not be over complicated and we should just be entering the cash, self serve prices. If there are not multiple prices posted just put in whatever you see.

If someone wants full serve or to pay with credit card they will expect to pay more. The prices need to be on a level field. You can't compare prices if they are all based on different payment methods and services.
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Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby gettingthere » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:04 pm

And thanks for mostly ignoring me :(. I didn't come up with the idea to report cash prices. It's already the standard with other applications that do the same.

So why so many rebels until Waze confirms what we already know?
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby glosapp » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:16 am

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but this is a big problem where I am at (NJ). All too often I see inconsistencies when checking fuel prices. Some people are entering in credit and some are entering in cash.

Whatever Waze wants us to enter in, it should be in the Waze app that indicates what we should be entering, because after reading through this entire thread, I'm still uncertain what we should be entering.

I can tell you that around me, many are using credit cards, not cash, because not many are lugging around that kind of cash and NJ residents cannot pump their own gas. Another reason is due to the fact that people get annoyed when gas station attendants top off their tanks with the high cost of gas. This ultimately is what happens when you pay cash because the attendants want to round it up to .00 cents so they don't have to run inside and get change.

I honestly think that we should be entering in credit prices and there should be a checkbox at the bottom of the screen that says "Discount available for cash". With it checked, the cash prices become greyed out, but with it unchecked, the prices mimic the credit fields unless the user enters in a different amount in the cash field (which they should be able to do).

But again, I reiterate - whatever you decide, you need to make it in bold highlighted letters on the app that the user should be entering in cash (or credit) so there are no more inconsistencies.
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Re: Reporting Gas prices - cash or credit?

Postby imper1um » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:39 pm

I would report the higher of the two (whichever it is). The thing is that people will like it if gas is less, but will hate it if gas is more.
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