Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

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Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Wolfeye » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:06 am

Don't you all have some kind of web browser on your "smart" phones? Isn't there already places on Internet where you can find location of speed traps and speed cams? Is your smartphone with a functional web browser illegal as well?
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:25 pm

robin1979 wrote:Just lock your phone whenever you get pulled over and be fine. There's really nothing they can do (in (western) Europe, not speaking for any of the other countries).


If you don't back up that advice with a guarantee – in escrow – for at least the financial consequences it's pretty cheap and meaningless. We read your ID, we know where your interests lie. We must assume that motivates your advice...
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:51 pm

robin1979 wrote:
argus-cronos wrote:
dmcconachie wrote:Argument remains, are the police going to bother trying to prove it? Do they have power to confiscate or even search mobile phones? Unlikely I'd have said.


They are allowed to.


They are not.


Yes they are, if they have 'reasonable suspicion'.

ARTICLE 8

Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.


Also see article 10 posted above.


Sure, but that's purely theoretical, Robin, because maybe for you it's no problem to spend 10 years in litigation up to and including the European Court in Strassbourg to prove your point, but 99,99% of people can't afford that stress. Financially or mentally. I.o.w. 99,99% of people will (have to) give up and consequently lose that case IRL.
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:38 pm

dmcconachie wrote:Do they [the cops] have power to confiscate or even search mobile phones? Unlikely I'd have said.


Yes they have those powers – in all countries – if they have 'reasonable suspicion' that laws are broken and/or that there are connections to crime. That's what police are for. That's what we, society, expect of them, and actually pay them for. It's also, at the same time, a very arbitrary – 'multi-interpretable' – argument that can easily be abused. By police/authorities. Against individuals. And IRL it very often IS!
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:23 pm

dmcconachie wrote:
Rokcet wrote:Sure, after you were arrested, spent time in jail pre-trial, spent 5 years going through several trials, and spent a fortune on your defense. Who can afford that? Who has enough stamina for that?Who can withstand the pressure?
That whole sequence is the threat!


There is zero chance of that. All it would take is for one trucker to get arrested for having a smartphone in his cab and the whole country would grind to a halt!


Yeah, we would get large scale protests and demonstrations, risking lots of arrested, pepper-sprayed, or even shot demonstrators. Like with Occupy protests in the US, or miner demonstrations in South Africa, or anti-Putin protests in Moscow.

It all happened before. So it's a bit naive to think it won't again.
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:54 pm

dmcconachie wrote:
Rokcet wrote:So when you get stopped by the cops, and you want to be sure you won't get any problems, you better chuck your smartphone out the window real fast...!


So your interpretation is that it's illegal to carry a smartphone in your car? Pretty sure any self-respecting lawyer could get that thrown out as a breach of basic human rights.


Sure, after you were arrested, spent time in jail pre-trial, spent 5 years going through several trials, and spent a fortune on your defense. Who can afford that? Who has enough stamina for that? Who can withstand the pressure?

That whole sequence is the threat and the punishment rolled into one! Before the final verdict!

Is that justice?
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:43 pm

gordonski wrote:So better have Waze turned off when getting stopped by the police.


No! That's not enough. You are culpable if you have a speedtrap alert capable device in your car. Irrespective of whether it is turned on or off, or whether specific speedtrap capable apps are installed or not.

So when you get stopped by the cops, and you want to be sure you won't get any problems, you better chuck your smartphone out the window real fast...!
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:50 am

Wolfeye wrote:Don't you all have some kind of web browser on your "smart" phones? Isn't there already places on Internet where you can find location of speed traps and speed cams? Is your smartphone with a functional web browser illegal as well?


Time will tell. And judges' verdicts will set precedents. But yes, the final consequence of this could be that smartphones in cars – whatever is or is not installed on them – would be completely prohibited simply because they are capable of running speedtrap info. Irrespective of whether they actually DO or not.

This law got into formal effect on July 1st. So you, we, are formally culpable since then and can legally be fined any day and any minute. But the French authorities also announced they aren't planning on enforcing it yet this year. Of course enforced or not, it IS illegal now so they can fine you for it anytime it bloody suits them! For instance if only to harrass an uncooperative motorist. Wouldn't be the first time some (sadistic) cop got a kick out of "throwing the book at" someone. E.g. you. And they can reverse their non-enforcement policy at the drop of a hat too of course when it suits them. 'Cause the law is already in place and formally effective.

I.o.w. motorist/smartphone owners, in France, are now defacto threatened with heavy fines. That's part of the 'sword of Damocles' hanging over all citizen's heads. The permanent threat, fear, and coercion that the state uses to control its citizens.

Nineteen-Eighty-Four, anyone?
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:25 am

Count the billions all those countries pour into their satnav systems to see how much they value the US' magnanimously sharing of theirs.

Oh, and the Airforce took control after NASA developed, built, and deployed it. They, the Airforce, can't do that by themselves. The Airforce is good at lobbing big bombs: one time, one purpose ballistic missiles. Not at building sophisticated outer space hardware, c.q. getting it there.

And 3rd generation data – accurate up to 6 inches in 3 axes – is not and has never been available to the public at large, or the American taxpayer who paid for it all in particular.
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Re: Waze now illegal to use in France. Is your country next?

Postby Rokcet » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:43 pm

xteejx wrote:And then there's the new system being developed by BAE that uses normal radio signals for positioning in similar way to planes. It'll work underground too :-D


1) What kind of accuracy does that work out to IRL?
2) Who will control that system?
3) when can it be functional?
4) Got links?

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