Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby top_gun_de » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:24 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
top_gun_de wrote:You don't need a workaround when you are not breaking the law at all. It is quite frustrating to repeat this so often...

We understand. But what many users on this thread don't understand is that Waze must come to this realization/understanding on their own. It's their company and while you and others may believe (know) it is foolish, what they have done, Waze has to make this decision based on legal advice from their legal team or consultants. If, after study and review, they determine cameras can be put back legally, they will. We just have to wait. Working with lawyers can take months just to figure out the simplest of things sometimes.


There are even two answers to your opinion:

1. There is a difference between a normal company with paying customers and paid suppliers and a company that builds on Web 2.0-effects as a main factor in their manufacturing process.

2. Waze should understand that the jurisdictional systems and codes in most countries are quite different. The term "international law" is something that keeps amazing me, as there is nothing binding between judicial systems except some international treaties from WTO and the like with limited scope. If they need counsel on the German law system, there are quite a lot of domestic lawyers, and there is even a formalized specialization for the matters at hand. There are also a lot of firms that specialise in international clients, and give counsel on the specifics in Germany. As soon as I realise that Waze has finally gotten counsel from such a company that specializes in "Verkehrsrecht", I am confident that matters are handled in the appropriate way.

Until then, I will stubbornly stand on my little soap box in Speaker's Corner, thank you very much :-)

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby top_gun_de » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:31 am

You will never improve a discussion by telling other participants that their aim is unrighteous.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby top_gun_de » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:52 pm

milkyway35 wrote:The actual waze's statement is to disable speedcams. Cf the shirli's post.

Which more official statement you need ?

When the actual statement Will change, Waze Will post a new announce.


Milkyway35, Waze said they are looking for options and even asked for sources for judicial guidance on the matter, that was a few days after the deletion. I do not see your point in asking the community to shut up, what is your benefit in this?

"To post an announcement when they are ready" is definitely not the proper way to deal with a community that contributes to your product.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby vince1612 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:06 am

In Switzerland we have several GPS apps that can warn about FIXED radars, not always mobile, such as GPS Navigation 2 (aka Skobbler), Swiss Traffic by mogo.ch, iSpeedCam or Trapster, to name a few. The word "radar" gives more than 1000 results in the Apple app store for iPhone. As far as I know they didn't disable their radar feature.

So why does Waze have to remove this feature above others ? Did you get a legal complaint from any government ?

I don't know about Denmark or Germany but in Switzerland with a bit of luck and direct democracy we could try making it legal :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ( :roll: dreaming)
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby vince1612 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:01 pm

McFloyd wrote:Please, we are here in the Switzerland forum


I agree with everything you said above to that other guy, but this discussion is actually not in the Switzerland section, if you look above it's in the Board index ‹ Community ‹ Website, Community, General section. ;)

I wonder now if any person from the Waze team might take a few of the questions that were asked here and actually give us an answer or explanation. That would be nice.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby vince1612 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:41 am

McFloyd wrote:Zumindest in der Schweiz...

German text cut

...noch andere sehr gute Eigenschaften.

Grüsse
Thias


For me and other non-german readers of this topic under "Website, Community, General ;)

Google Translate wrote:At least in Switzerland, the legal requirements are very clear:

Prohibited and will be punished:
- Who is offering radar warnings, sells, distributes, or are further used
- Who offers systems, sold, sells, uses or passes that warn of speed cameras

In Switzerland must therefore nothing more waze clarify. Sure I think it's a shame that the speed traps will be deleted. I will in the future be increasingly warn against icy roads - even in the summer ...

But here it is ridiculously slow. Waze still has other good properties.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby vince1612 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:45 pm

argus-cronos wrote:There are people who never understand, but its a typical swiss behaviour to spit in the soup of ourselves.

???

I'm Swiss and speak primarily french, I also know english and can understand and speak italian rather well but fewer german.

I only posted a translation that I had done for myself of one post, so that anyone following this topic could read-on without having to waste time by going themselves to translators to understand everything when people post in other languages. I'm not sure what I misunderstood by doing that frankly.
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Re: AW: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby wasserkatze11 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:05 pm

I thought it is just illegal, when u use it while driving... before it is legal^^
P.S.: even "professional" apps include this functionality, but it can be disabled...
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Re: AW: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby wasserkatze11 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:01 pm

As you can read here (in German) http://www.navi-magazin.de/grundlagen-w ... r-im-navi/
Gadgets who's only function it's to warn the user(s) are illegal. When the function is beside the functionality as a navigation-system (optional) then there was never an illegal action.
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Re: AW: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby wasserkatze11 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:52 pm

McFloyd wrote:Vielleicht müssten wir halt eine Initiative lancieren, die erlaubt, sich vor Radarfallen warnen zu lassen...

Ich bin weder Schweizer, noch Politik-experte, aber gibt es nicht gerade in der Schweiz die Möglichkeit durch einen Volksentscheid das geltend zu machen, so dass es von der Regierung akzeptiert werden muss?
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