Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby McFloyd » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:20 am

Ok, even if you told me that I should sit down, I rise again.

Believe me, I do not want to hurt anyone in his honor. I did not want to ridicule your questions also. If I have hurt some of you, I am sorry and I ask you to forgive me!

But I can not understand why waze is attacked at this point so hard and asked again and again if legally everything is clear and checkt by waze (at least in Switzerland). So, I don't want to spit in your soup but i wish to understand what the problem really is...

And now I sit down again and keep my mouth shut.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby McFloyd » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:28 am

vince1612 wrote:For me and other non-german readers of this topic under "Website, Community, General ;)

:lol: My name is not Angela Merkel and the Internet is not #Neuland for me! Nope, I know the Internet and the Google translator very well. But sometimes I find the translation bad and I never want to find a hashtag about me, I prefer to write in such situations in German. Always with the hope that others also know the Internet! ;)
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby McFloyd » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:18 am

top_gun_de wrote:
top_gun_de wrote:Well, Waze should clarify two things:

1.) Whose legal issues are they after:
- Their own issues as a manufacturer
- The user's issues if being caught with an illegal device
- Being held liable by a customer who was caught with an illegal device

This is not yet clear...


Hi Shirli,
will there be an answer to these and the other questions in the thread? Your last posting is 4 days old.
We can discuss this in a smaller environment with the champs or coordinators of the affected countries, according to the organisational layout you posted in february. Just, don't keep the community out of the loop.
Best regards,
Detlev

Zumindest in der Schweiz sind die rechtlichen Vorgaben sehr klar:

Verboten und bestraft wird:
- wer Radarwarnungen anbietet, verkauft, vertreibt, weitergibt oder benutzt
- wer Systeme anbietet, verkauft, vertreibt, weitergibt oder benutzt, die vor Radarkontrollen warnen

In der Schweiz muss waze also gar nichts mehr abklären. Klar finde ich es auch schade, dass die Radarfallen gelöscht werden. Ich werde künftig einfach vermehrt vor vereisten Strassen warnen - auch im Sommer... 8-)

Aber langsam wird es hier lächerlich. Waze hat ja noch andere sehr gute Eigenschaften.

Grüsse
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby McFloyd » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:28 am

Mynios wrote:This is Waze as you should know so no discussion please!

And what's that supposed to mean? Does that mean that we can help you to edit the maps, but here to discuss such things are forbidden?

Please, we are here in the Switzerland forum and we Swiss are known for our need for harmony and the search for compromise ....

We Swiss are used to argue about our laws and the decisions of our politicians. Unlike in neighboring countries, the government in Switzerland is the people! So the people in Switzerland has the power to change the law. And that includes a proper Disksussion in advance.

This little swiss civics should help you better understand us Swiss. :geek:

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby McFloyd » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:13 am

top_gun_de wrote:Even in Switzerland, the law is not that unambiguous. We should restrict our counseling to our own law system. ;)

No, in Switzerland, the law is very clear! The new text is very clear and has no gaps! Please read this text of the law, since the first January 2013 also applies!

Art. 98a Abs. 1 Lit. a SVG
Warnings of traffic controls
1 fine shall be imposed on anyone who:
a device or devices that are intended to make the regulatory control of road traffic, interfere with or render ineffective, imports, advertises, passes, sold, or how to write or leaves, installs in vehicles, carries with it attached to them or used in any form;


Therefore, it is understandable: waze is more a device that warns of radar. has no other way in Switzerland than to delete all speed traps. In Germany, this may be different.

And another thing: who waze installed only because of the speed traps, maybe you should better change to the bike ...

Translated with google :roll:
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby McFloyd » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:47 pm

Mein schriftliches Englisch ist nicht so gut, darum schreibe ich deutsch!

In der Schweiz ist die Höchstgeschwindigkeit auf max. 120 km/h beschränkt. Würden nun die Automobilhersteller wie watze reagieren, sie müssten bei allen Fahrzeugen einen 2takt Motor einbauen und diesen noch plombieren!

Ich habe noch nie gehört, dass Porsche oder BMW eine Busse erhalten hat, weil Sie in der Schweiz Autos verkaufen, die mit über 250 Sachen rumrasen können!

Es ist auch nicht gestattet, während der Fahrt zu essen. McDonalds hat desswegen keinen einzigen "Drive in" geschlossen!

Und hey, ihr könnt in der Schweiz sogar ganz legal Waffen kaufen (z.B. Springmesser), die man aber dann gar nicht besitzen darf! Das ist doch gequirlte Sch...

Aber hier geht es eben um viel Geld und darum haben die Schweizer den Gesetzestext klar und unmissverständlich ausformuliert (http://www.admin.ch/ch/d//sr/741_01/a98a.html):

Art. 98a1 SVG

Warnungen vor Verkehrskontrollen

1 Mit Busse wird bestraft, wer:

a.
Geräte oder Vorrichtungen, die dazu bestimmt sind, die behördliche Kontrolle des Strassenverkehrs zu erschweren, zu stören oder unwirksam zu machen, einführt, anpreist, weitergibt, verkauft, sonst wie abgibt oder überlässt, in Fahrzeuge einbaut, darin mitführt, an ihnen befestigt oder in irgendeiner Form verwendet;


Waze hat leider keinen Spielraum... Vielleicht müssten wir halt eine Volsinitiative lancieren, die erlaubt, sich vor Radarfallen warnen zu lassen...
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby masju » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:27 pm

Shirli:
How many posts do we have to write until you revoke the decision?
It's not okay to let the community do all the work and than delete this function without any discussion :( .
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby masju » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:02 pm

Let the users decide whether they let themselves be warned or not. On their own risk.

PLEASE!!!
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby masju » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:46 pm

What about the speedcams? Any decision?
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby MarcoSaxonia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Hello,
it is a big mistake to remove the speedcams in Germany. Every local radio station (privat AND public-law broadcasting stations) inform about speedcams after the news and the traffic jam report. There is no law in Germany that it is forbidden!

Please, don`t remove this option here.

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