Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby LHD5000 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:25 am

Bring the speed cams back online - otherwise there is no need for me to use Waze.
I can still use "Blitzer" (which has no routing) but still warns me of speed cams.

Was the removal of speed cams Google's decission or Waze's decission?
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Kuhlkatz » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:34 pm

Pierre-wi wrote:By the way in Germany it is even illigal to use Waze anyways:


I think you are missing the point. In most countries it is illegal to operate and use a 'hand-held' device while driving. Even though this is primarily aimed at idiots with a mobile phone growing out of their ear, it can easily be adapted to mean any 'device'. If you look carefully, you should see that most laws use this wording and not 'mobile phone'.
The fact that you are not making a call while you are completing the latest Suduko on your mobile while driving, does not make it less dangerous to operate the device while holding it.

Mount the frigging thing in a car mount and they can not classify it as 'hand-held' any more. It just becomes a device.

It also does not mean that it is less distracting, you should know to keep your eyes on the road.

You guys also seem to forget that Waze 'stores' your drives, which other navigation systems do not. How long would it be before the operators of mobile or fixed cameras gets the bright idea to sue Waze or Google as the parent company for 'loss of income' due to the camera warnings.
Assuming that Waze actually store this info, all they need to do is request / attach the data, check your speeds before, during and after the warnings, and it should be easy to calculate some averages for users warned vs users not speeding. Compute this against the amount of total Wazers and it should be easy to guesstimate some figures.
After they can prove that, there's nothing stopping them going after individuals.

It may sound extreme, but I'd say the lawyers have a bit more homework to do than what you think.

Just my 2c..

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby jonypony » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:40 am

Hi Wazers,

We're still considering the best way to deal with this issue.
We might have to make changes in the client in some countries, in order to comply with local laws.
We will inform you as soon as possible about any progress we make.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby JCDentonMale » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:26 pm

beffl wrote:We have all worked hard and spend a lot of volunteer hours to improve WAZE. But you have to help us here. Such actions are counterproductive and causes users to start thinking about if it is not a waste of time!


That's exactly what I'm thinking right now. Should I keep updating the maps in my area? Should I consider switching to another application, if any?

Waze is great because it's a great driving helper. I like to know if there is a speed trap or police ahead, not because I want to drive too fast, but because it's so easy to drive at 51 kph instead of 50 and to loose 45€ + 1 driving licence point.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby JCDentonMale » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:36 pm

If you remove this major feature, then what will be the interest in using Waze? Navigation? We have Google Navigation for that!
That's not a way to thank the community, and for sure the community will collapse in the concerned countries.

Danger zones? Let me laugh. That's exactly why I stopped to use Coyote. There are danger zones every 2 minutes!

Make it an option, and if it's illegal, let users be outlaws if they decide it. Period.

Or I guess that someone will have to make a new Waze.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Jan924 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:15 am

Announcing such a change, just like it means nothing for the local community? Without having discussion with the local CM's or telling them in advance? Just like someone made that decision in its lunch-break? Seriously?!

Waze is not a company, where your Boss is telling you how it goes. You define yourserelf as a community. People are working for waze without earning any money. I wouldn't dare doing something, that could offend the community and if I were a CM, I would definitely feel offended and not taken seriously or treatet with the appropriate respect.

Even if it's a google decision, its just the way you handled that issue, that makes me angry.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby GreenCherokee » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:40 am

I was ready to get into waze. But after this step, I will continue using Trapster.

Sorry folks. Big mistake. This will cost you lots of users!
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby GPSRitter » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:55 pm

After my first shock about that decision and still without understanding the point of waze in removing the Radars from the Map in Germany, I decided to 'use' my position as CCO of DACH community and give first of all my opinion on that as well as doing some background actions to clean that up.

Shirli, Ori & other Waze staff, the decision to remove that is understandable for Switzerland, but not for Germany, as the law is clear to what I could see so far. The production, sell and ownership of dedicated devices to warn on speed traps (fixed and non fixed) is completely legal. The active use of such devices is against law. So IMHO waze is not breaking any law in Germany, if information on speed cameras are shown in the Map.

But as I`m not a lawyer and my opinion to waze is as useless as any other non legal opinion, I have have sent a request to Udo Vetter, a german lawyer that runs http://www.lawblog.de/ and has won Grimme Award on information in 2011, to get a legal opinion on that. As I had the time to do that only now, there is of course no answer yet available.

So before the bashing on the waze team continues, I'd like the community to stay calm and wait on feedback, either from me or from the waze team.

Waze team, If Mr. Vetter sends an answer only to me (and does not post it here), I`ll keep you informed and we should discuss next steps before I post his answer here.

Hope this is in the sense of waze and the community too.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby gas_85 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:19 pm

milkyway35 wrote:
popel22 wrote:
milkyway35 wrote:Report police is not only for mobile speedcams.

With the police icon, you report policemen. They can control speed, or anything else. I dont think it could be forbiden in any country to say "hey there is a policemen here"


It is

Then the country is not compliant with the Human rights european convention that allow you to communicate


It is aloud to report policeman and show them on the map, but it is illegal to have device/application that can worn you in advance about police cameras. So, if Waze implement switcher "on/off" police sound notification it should be enough.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby fvwazing » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:06 am

RodNav wrote:BTW, how many of those who said they would leave, have actually left yet?


Uh.... "Everyone who left the room, please raise your hands!".

Truth is: we don't know due to lack of transparent usage statistics. But Germany was always far behind in mapping and this incident does not exactly attract new Wazers in droves.
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