Road Closures Form for All Editors

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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:56 pm

voludu2 wrote:I know this is a completely manual process on the part of the champs involved.
What kind of turn-around time should we expect?

If I find out today that a major ramp is already closed for reconstruction for 2 months, should I also seek another way to restrict waze routing over that ramp for, say, a week?

Since I can't edit ramps, that means also using the unlock board to place a request, which is more work for "somebody", which is why I ask.


Let me address those concerns:
  • In urgent cases, please reach out to your local SM(s) or Champ/RC.
  • Any closure submitted via form should be reviewed by SMs and Champs fiarly quickly.
  • Road closures are checked by Waze about 3 times a day.
  • Any update from Waze is reflect immediately (no tile update necessary)
  • I would consider adding those who are interested to see the sheet comment only.
So, please send me your username, email, location and rank. Thank you
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:06 pm

voludu2 wrote:I think the route I'll take, if "immediate would be good" is to PM the SM just after I fill out the form.
I had a case where I received confirmation of upload until a week after the closure was over.
So it is confusing; I don't know what to expect.

I think that, if I send a batch of DELDOT or PENNDOT closures ever again, I might like to be able to see what is in the sheet, so I can have a way to track what I have entered and whether I have entered the "new" one or not.

Thanks.

That's sounds reasonable.
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:26 am

tonestertm wrote:Am I imagining things or did this used to be sticky? If not, why not? :)

Yes, it was....Now it is again ;)
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:33 am

dude463 wrote:Is there something that's supposed to happen when we submit to this form? I can't see what's on it, I can't see what's already been addressed, and I get no confirmation other than the page refreshes with a thank you that I've even submitted it right. Sometimes the information you dig up to put on the form (the website with the actual official information) is pretty hard to track down, and if I go back later and haven't bookmarked the site I have to dig through again to find it, which takes time.

I'm under the impression that this is just a huge waste of time.

If you PM me your email, I'll share the sheet with you "comment only" so you can check your closures
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:59 am

We're currently beta testing a new closure feature. With the new closure feature, high ranked editors can close roads live. Of course, the sheet will be updated to work with that. In addition, I will open the sheet for all to see and comment (but not edit). This way, when you submit a closure using the same form, you will be able to visit the sheet and verify that your closure is on the sheet. You can comment if you need to change/update your submitted closure.
There may be another option for all editors to submit closures. I'm working on a poll for all to vote. Please stay tuned.
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:14 pm

Hi Everyone,

I updated the first post and putting another copy here:



UPDATE! Going forward all editors will be able to review what they submitted and comment if necessary by going to this "Closures for All Editors Sheet"
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby orbitc » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:38 pm

Waze will update the production editor and high rank editors will be able to close roads live. You can continue to use the same form for

  • construction closure,
  • daily closures,
  • closures for only certain days or week

Your request will appear in the "closures for all editors sheet" where many Great State managers and champs will look and update the closure.

With the recent permission change I made to this sheet, you will be able to open and see the status of your submitted closure. If you need to update something on your closure, you can now comment to it.

Please take a minute to skim the guideline to familiarize yourself with the status of the closure once it's processed by the SMs or champs.

with that, here a reminder:


UPDATE!
Going forward all editors will be able to see "closure for all editors sheet" and review what they submitted and comment if necessary by going to this:

Closures for All Editors Sheet
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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby PesachZ » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:28 pm

pumrum wrote:I noticed that the closure guidelines were updated to advise us to close crossing segments (where appropriate). The guidelines depict closing the input segments, but I was wondering if it would make more sense to close the output segments instead?

In the example provided, it is likely that local traffic would be allowed to access the highlighted (closed) cross-street segments (the inbound portions of 10th, 11th, and 12th streets). Wouldn't it make more sense to close the opposite (outbound) segments instead, since local traffic would not be able to access these segments?

I had posted some notes about this issue here after working with WazeHQ on a major event in Manhattan and dealing with blocking cross streets.

An example of blocking outbound streets rather than inbound streets here. This includes an allowed crossing at 79th st and a disallowed 2-way crossing at 86th st

I agree. The guidelines should probably be changed.

I usually only code cross streets which lead away from the closure, if there's a way to get to it besides the closure. Basically block people crossing over the closure, but not the streets which lead to the closure.

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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby PesachZ » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:44 am

qwaletee wrote:Orbit,

The example they gave is 5th Ave between form 13th to 9th Streets.

The problem with the advice is it doesn't account for whether the intersections in the middle are actually closed, and it should be clearer about that. Sometimes, transverse traffic is allowed across a closed stretch of road, even though the road itself is closed. For example, say they were closing that stretch of 5th because they are laying new sewer pipe. They might bridge the three intersections shown so that 10th, 11th and 12th, even though hey cross right through the middle of the closed section of 5th, still allow traffic to flow from 6th Ave to University Pl (10th and 12th) or vice versa (11th). Because the more streets closed, the worse the traffic snarls up, and the more residents and businesses impacted. NYC DOT does this all the time.

In other situations, even 9th and 13th could be affected. If they had to close the entire length and could not bridge the intersections, they might also be fully or partially closing the two "end intersections.

Your statement is true, we only have to worry about cross streets, if through traffic across those intersections of blocked. However the discussion is when we have to close side streets, which side should we close. Orbit is getting confirmation from Waze on that.

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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

Postby PesachZ » Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:23 pm

StephenR1966 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:Your statement is true, we only have to worry about cross streets, if through traffic across those intersections of blocked. However the discussion is when we have to close side streets, which side should we close. Orbit is getting confirmation from Waze on that.


Another issue with the approach recommended (in the case that we really do need to close the crossing streets) is how do people get routed to the businesses and/or residences along those closed segements of 10th, 11th, and 12th streets? Assuming only the intersection is closed, it seems like it would be better to either disconnect the side streets leaving oneself a [NOTE] UR to remember to reconnect after the closure or add nodes on either side of each intersection creating 5 m segments and close those segments as well. It's more work for us, but what else is there for it until they make intersection blocking an optional part of the closure?

Don't disconnect any roads unless they are physically not roads anymore. That's the whole point of the closure system, so we no longer have to disconnect roads. Waze has asked us not to disconnect segments.

If the proposed change goes into effect, then people will be allowed to be navigate up until the closed intersection, but not across it, as the only segments actually closed would be one leading AWAY from the closure, which are inaccessible because you can't drive through the intersection.

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