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Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:49 pm
by CBenson
pumrum wrote:My suggestion, posted here for peer review, is that if a closure only affects a small part of a larger segment, that segment should be broken so that the closure is limited only to the area actually closed. See this segment as an example. The bridge closure is actually very small, and does not restrict local traffic on either side of the closure (the only effect is that vehicles are not permitted to pass over the bridge). In this example, if the entire original segment was closed, a driver trying to navigate to a point on that road would be given directions to one of the dead-end side streets, very much out of the way of their intended destination.

I think there is a problem. But I don't think what you identify as the problem actually happens. When I route to a segment that is closed, waze simply routes me onto the closed segment. For example, waze routes me to 875 E Mount Harmony Rd, Owings, Md even though that address is currently on a closed segment.
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(Athough, I don't know why the red and white cross hatching isn't showing.)

However, the problem arises if I have to cross the closed bridge to get to the address. As waze doesn't know exactly where the closure is waze can't decide to only route you in one end or the other of the segment.

Personally, I don't think we should worry about this yet. I would vote to not add segments as a matter of course to enable routing correctly in from the correct end of the segment when a bridge is closed in the middle. I would think that the majority of the time it is only going to affect local residents who are going to know where exactly one can get through and where one can't. However, if the bridge is on a long commercial major highway segment then it might be worth it.

(So this is just another argument as to why it would be helpful to have all the driveways actually mapped.)

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:25 am
by CBenson
Hmm. I had routed to Putman Rd as a example too, but didn't post it because multiple segments closed act differently from a single segment closure like when a bridge is out. The issue with Freedom Rd is that we don't know where more precisely the road is closed. But when I tried earlier routing to Putman I got a different result. Maybe because I tried from the other direction.
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pumrum wrote:In this case, there's a closure of that single segment, let's assume for the sake of example the bridge is smack in the middle of that segment. Your destination is a hot new piano bar at the south side of that segment and your date is meeting you there at 8pm. You're not terribly familiar with the area, but you're really interested in this person so you agree to make the trek.

Sure but the majority of bridge closures around here have no businesses on the segment. Where the bridge is in a commercial area, they usually figure out a way to keep at least a lane open during construction around here or there are other nearby bridges that mean getting around to the other side isn't much of a problem. So I understand that problem. I'm just concerned that its going to be a large task to keep up with all the closures. I'm not sure its worth it to find out where on the segment the barricades are actually erected for most of the closures.

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:40 pm
by CBenson
Do have any confirmation that the prior start causes issues with the upload. The only closure that I've noticed where the upload didn't take effect, the start date was after the upload.

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:42 pm
by CBenson
August row 163 was logged with a closure start date after it was uploaded, but didn't show on the map until it was uploaded again.

Currently August row 146 is not showing on the map although it was uploaded with a start date after the upload.

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:18 pm
by CBenson
There are two issues with bridge/culvert replacements/reconstructions. The first question becomes whether you can isolate the closure to some point between the points where the detour starts and ends. The second question is whether its worth it to add transition nodes on the waze map to create a short segment to limit the closure to the actual bridge/culvert crossing.

I have no problem with the first. The second seems a bit premature to me. I'd like to see how the closures work before we start adding additional complications. But ultimately, yes it would be ideal to only prevent routing across the portion of the road that cannot be traversed. But there will be issues that need to be dealt with. What if there are multiple possible detours and the road closed signs are posted with an intent for non-local traffic to use a longer detour, but the road closed signs don't block the road to local traffic allowing a shorter detour to be used through residential streets. Should waze route everyone past the road closed signs to use the faster residential detour? What if there is no actual blockage at all? What if the road is closed to through traffic for a week for repaving but allows access to residents along the entire length of the closure from either end for the entire closure period?

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to isolate the closure and have waze provide the best driving instructions. I'm just saying that at this point adding an extra segment precisely where the bridge is out should not be a requirement to enter a closure published by a relevant highway department.

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:39 pm
by CBenson
PhantomSoul wrote:Do you mean like if the closure on a small part of a much longer segment with maybe like houses along it?

That's what I understood punrum to be advocating.
pumrum wrote:My suggestion, posted here for peer review, is that if a closure only affects a small part of a larger segment, that segment should be broken so that the closure is limited only to the area actually closed. See this segment as an example. The bridge closure is actually very small, and does not restrict local traffic on either side of the closure (the only effect is that vehicles are not permitted to pass over the bridge). In this example, if the entire original segment was closed, a driver trying to navigate to a point on that road would be given directions to one of the dead-end side streets, very much out of the way of their intended destination.

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:20 am
by citeman
I wanted to suggest that a small note should be added to the closure form regarding duration. I recently had an occasion to discover that a closure can not be greater than 6 months. We might want to note that on the form and indicate that longer closures should be broken up into 6 month intervals.

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:50 pm
by citeman
Trying to use the closure form this morning and getting an error saying:
"You must provide the WME permalink"

For the permalink, I have turned off all layers, but road. However the pasted permalink is still throwing the error when I try to submit. Did Waze change the permalink text and it is not passing the test on the form? Or am I doing something wrong?

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:30 pm
by citeman

Re: Road Closures Form for All Editors

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:32 pm
by citeman
Duh, no segment... let me try this again!